I'm sorry to see Imzy go. There just aren't many sites like this one out there any more.
Beyond was wonderful, full of fab crew interaction. Loved that fond glance Bones gives Kirk, gauging to see if the surprise party is a happy surprise. You just know afterward they had crazy birthday sex, lol. Bones is clearly Kirk's better half. Loved the private toast and how Bones essentially nags Kirk to make an effort to keep in touch with his own mother.
Sometimes a well written fic makes all the difference. There's a ton a really good Spirk fic, please so keep giving it a chance. Spones has some quality stuff too, the pairing can be tricky but when it's right, it's sooo right. Definitely needs more attention from fic writers.
Welcome, Quixotesque, I agree, the AOS do tend to lean McKirk. And I love it! That said, the case can be made that the 2009 movie was strongly McKirk, while STID had clear Kirk/Spock, and Beyond rocked the Spones. I'm pretty much down for any and all combinations of the big three, lol.
The idea of Bones grousing over which hor d'oeuvres to serve for Kirk's birthday party makes me laugh. Not to mention avoiding Kirk's allergies and appealing to a multi-species guest list. It's an impressive feat, given the crazy mission they'd just finished.
Oh, but this is fantastic, kslangley! Thank you for the links and recs. I will be checking them out, for sure. I think the election has me a bit scattered right now because I haven't been able to concentrate long enough to read an entire chapter for the last couple of days. Like most everyone, I will be happy once it's over. I remember that Spock story from The New Voyages!
You're very welcome and thanks to you too for the excellent recommendations and all-around great conversation :o) I'm going to sit down tomorrow and create a separate FB account so I can read that Sahaj series.
You'll enjoy Wise We Grow. There's even a sequel to it that takes place some years later. Here's a link to Homecoming:
http://rip-beedlebarg.livejournal.com/tag/homecoming
And here's a link to its sequel:
http://beederiffic.livejournal.com/25273.html#cutid1
Easily one of my favorite kidfics. I periodically re-read it.
Oy, I wish the Sahaj series weren't on Facebook. I'm rarely on it and I prefer to keep my fannish pursuits separate from my professional ones. It can't be found anywhere else? So many terrific archives out there.
Thank you for posting this! It was a great read. I've found so many good things to read from recommendations and reviews. I love fics where Spock, Kirk, or McCoy have children. I'm very interested in reading this Sahaj series, it sounds terrific? Where is she posting it?
I was a big fan of Homecoming by beederiffic and deastra's amazing So Wise we Grow. I'll pretty much click on any kidfic.
Have you been reading soonanemone's Home Also I Cannot Go? It's a WIP with Spock as a teenaged father. It has caught up with the events of the 2009 movie. I won't say any more except that it's marvelously written. Highly recommended!
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5391402/1/Home_Also_I_Cannot_Go
Spock Enslaved! Oh, God, I remember seeing that zine quite frequently at cons. Star Trek Lives! was the very first Trek related book I ever read, back when I was a fledgling fan. Very fond memories. I had recently move back to the States from living in South America. I was already a compulsive bookworm so when I found Trek fanfic it was like hitting a vein of pure, unadulterated crack, lol.
Go us!
Heehee! For me and many fans, that novelization is the only Trek novel considered cannon since it was written by Roddenberry himself. It gave use the term th'yla.
I have been away from the Trek novel scene for a good while, but the last I was aware, fans were constantly being reminded at cons that the novels should not be considered cannon. This was usually after half a dozen dimwits would ask the guests of honor about something that happened in a novel that never happened on screen. Now with Trekcore and another thousand novels and tie-ins that may be different--?
Oh, jeez, I'd forgotten about Harve Bennett wanting to do a Starfleet Academy Trek. Had no idea he wrote to Interstat, I wasn't suscribed. His mistake was pitching his Academy idea at the wrong time just as Trek came off the successful and widely acclaimed Voyage Home. As for the idea itself, back in the day it would have bothered me no end to have Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all at the Academy at the same time. I think I remember raising my eyebrows while watching play out in the 2009 movie, but once they blew up Vulcan, I was like, oh, it's an alternate reality, all bets are off, I'm on board! Roddenberry himself acknowledged that eventually Trek would be recast and retold. I'm so glad they did.
Here's a thought: would this Reboot be as sucessful if Pine, Quinto, and Urban were playing different characters? Dunno.
Abrams definitely got lucky cast-wise. The interviews and behind-the-scenes videos for the Reboot have been as entertaining as the movies themselves. I've blown through so much data watching and sometimes rewatching them on You Tube, lol.
Was there a mention of Peter Kirk in the novelization of the first movie, the one penned by Gene Roddenberry? He did seem to disappear into the ether.
You're a rare breed <g> Not many fans out there who don't care for Spock. I agree he did get more development than Kirk or McCoy. I suppose his dual nature made him inherently more attractive to the writers. Looking back, it's kinda funny that Shatner didn't demand equal development.
Re: Feldman: You've intrigued me. If I should happen by it I'll definitely give it a go.
I had the very same experience going into the 2009 movie. At the time I had given up on Trek (for a good 12 years!) so I didn't pay any attention whatsoever to the casting or watch any promos. Had no idea who any of the new actors were other than Eomer, lol. I only went to go see it because my mother wanted someone to go to the movies with her. Of course the movie rocked my world and I left the theater a Rebooted Trekfan, lol.
One of the reasons I had thought I was done with Trek was because of my attachment to the original TOS actors. That, and it seemed clear after Next Gen's treatment of the TOS characters that their day had passed and the folks in charge of the franchise were actively trashing Kirk and company. Instead I was utterly delighted by the new cast and the small character tweaks actually helped me to accept them. I'm probably one of the few longtime Trek fans who doesn't care about the prime universe. If it no longer has Shatner playing Kirk, Nimoy playing Spock and so forth, then it's just not of interest to me any longer. It'll always exist in reruns but the entire direction it took from NG on is not a unverse I wish to explore. The Reboot has enough of the things I loved about TOS and enough of its own charm to keep me intrigued.
It's shocking how little we know of TOS Kirk and McCoy's backgrounds after 79 eps and 6 movies. If I'm remembering correctly, the first mention of Kirk's father wasn't until the first Reboot movie. Hell, we never even knew he grew up in Iowa until Voyage Home.
I forgot Imzy has chatrooms! Be right there.
That's a good idea. I'm on Central time, in Illinois. :o) Going to see Doctor Strange Friday night!
Sounds like fun! I'm in.
I really like AOS!Kirk too. It's amazing how much more we know about him in comparison to TOS!Kirk. His maturation is progressing nicely. Can't wait to get my copy of Beyond tomorrow so I can re-watch it at a more leisurely pace. Saw it twice in the theater, I'm sure there's a lot that got by me.
I wonder sometimes if it's a case of Reboot's optimism getting lost in the dazzle of upgraded special effects and minimal preaching. Kirk was ready to extend a helping-hand to genocidal Romulans in the first movie (I totally don't blame Spock for saying hell no. His entire planet was destroyed. That's horrific and deserves more than make-nice platitudes), in Darkness Kirk momentarily loses his way, but he does see the error of letting anger rule his judgment and clearly grows by the end of the movie, not to mention the whole 911 commentary. In Beyond, as you pointed out, he declares he'd rather die trying to save lives than live taking them. There's morality there, it's just more of a doing kind rather than saying kind.
Abrams!Kirk I think gets unjustly faulted for not being TOS era Kirk who was already in his 30s when he took over the Enterprise and had already had command of a ship under his belt and had the benefit of growing up in a healthy and whole family setting. Abrams!Kirk comes from less than ideal background and was clearly meant to evolve over the course of several movies into the seasoned veteran we all know and admire.
I suppose we all use our entry-Trek as the standard to judge its other incarnations. Here's where it gets annoyingly contradictory for me: I also like the optimism and hope of the Trek world but in Next Gen (and the other Berman era spin-offs) it just annoyed the shit out of me--it was all so smug. I like a Trek world that's overall better than the one we live in now but not one that's utterly perfect. Ditto for the crew and Starfleet. And Reboot Trek is that, IMHO. :o)
Gads, I'm getting long-winded here but it's been a pleasure having a real Trek discussion with you, infiniteeight.
No worries. IDIC and all that. <g> Don't hate me, but I never cared for any of the sequel series from Next Gen through Enterprise. I honestly tried to, watched every single episode of Next Gen and DS9, but they all just ...miss for me for various (and even contradictory) reasons. It may be due to taking a break from Trek for a good 15 years, but upon my return I've found Kelvin Trek to be much closer to TOS than any of the previous incarnations, once you strip away the top notch production values (which I love and thought Trek was way overdue for). Perhaps it's fresh-eyes syndrome--? I acknowledge Trek has had to change in order to remain a viable commodity for Paramount and bring in new viewers. If it starts to turn me off then I'll simply tune out again. :o/
I don't think I read Claire Gabriel or Leslye Lilker, they don't sound familiar but back then the only time I got my hands on zines was when they had them available for purchase at cons and cons were few and far between. I generally chose reading material based on how much disposable money I had at the time and after thumbing through them quickly at a dealers table so there's probably a ton of great fics that I missed. Long live the internet and recommendation lists! lol
I remember a period in the later 80s and early 90s when zine sellers were told they could not have their zines out in the open on their tables. Several of the cons I went to afterward didn't even have zines for sale at all. :o(
The Mindy Glazer stories sound familiar. Do they revolve around an original character? I have to confess that I always gave fics that revolved around OCs a bit of a wide berth.
Yes, I read and loved all of Jean Lorrah's stuff I could get my hands on, including the pro-novels. Up until 1995-ish I religiously bought every single TOS pro-novel that Pocket put on the shelves (they're currently boxed up, out in my shed, probably molding way, lol). Once The Undiscovered Country came out and it appeared original crew stories were mostly done, I drifted away from Trek and didn't return until 2009 with Abrams. Biggest surprise of my life was realizing that I not only accept, but downright loved the new actors playing the original crew characters. Go figure.
Yep. I think Trek will likely never be the franchise it truly can be until it gets pried away from Paramount and CBS. I also think the lack of enthusiasm is in part due to the fact that much of it is so tonally different from itself--there's TOS, the first Trek movie, then the next 5 movies with the original crew. Really, the aesthetic and story approach between those three alone would have any non-fan convinced they were completely different properties and different universes, to say nothing of Next Gen and the whole Berman era. It's no wonder Trek fandom gets sliced into increasingly smaller subsets. I was hoping the Kelvin/Abrams movies would have the effect of reunifying the fandom, especially after going a couple of years without any Trek, but it's had the opposite effect. :o(
It's too bad because Beyond gave use some nice fill-in-the-details opportunities--there are the years between STID and Beyond and their time on that nifty space station while they're waiting for the Enterprise to be rebuilt. Paramount did next to nothing to drum up excitement (that's a rant for another time). It's no wonder many fans have moved on :o(
Jean Lorrah! Night of the Twin Moons**, now there's a blast from the past <g>. Mark Lenard will forever be my Sarek.
I couple swear the Spock story was in one of those New Voyages collections... but I could be mistaken. At the risk of revealing spolilers, it turns out the "nymph" was actually a female crew member who had been trying to lure (stubborn!) Spock out of the range of hostile alien sensors. There's a line towards the beginning when Spock tells her his name, "I am called Spock" and she interprets it as "Cold Spock", lol.
I would love to read Visit to a Weird Planet! Isn't it amazing how many firsts can be attributed to Trek fandom. I was also rather fond of a zine called Don't Tell it to the Captain where a wounded Spock gets wheeled around the Enterprise like a hot potato to avoid being reassigned while he's recovering from an injury. Unfortunately that zine went with the other water damaged ones.
Printed zines had a real charm. They were clearly labours of love and generally better edited than most fic posted online. However, I don't miss the drain on my pockebook and I certainly love the 24/7 availability of online fic.
If there are gods, they do not listen and justice belongs to the strong but know that all things done before the stars are remembered.
That book is a blast from the past!



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