• I didn't vote for him, I voted for Clinton because anyone who gave any shits about humanity needed to try whatever they could to keep that scum out of power. I know how bad it is. I'm not downplaying Trump, I'm just saying it's the same shitty direction we've been heading in, he's just dropped a gear and mashed the throttle. Clinton didn't represent a change of direction, it was just a slower trip. Ultimately I blame the situation on the DNC for not presenting real options for change.

    I do like me some Chomsky though, you're right about that.

  • She was the first main party presidential candidate I voted for, I was a green party voter the last three presidential elections. I still need to justify to myself that I still made my protest vote, only instead of protesting the whole system, I was protesting Trump and the rise of reactionary politics into the mainstream. I lost, just like I always do.

    Too hawkish for us, though I guess Trump's hawkish as hell choices for appointments so far will be so much better.

    His appointments will continue the trends set under Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan; his own diplomacy will be a shitshow though. However, we're post world-war. This is the age of endless cold war. He's going to protect business interests, same as all the other countries around, while places like Tibet, the Kashmir, Palestine and a variety of other countries in the middle-east Africa will feel the pain of proxy wars just like they have for the last 3 decades. Neither choice represented stability, and if you thought one of them did, you were duped.

    I'm sure it's nice for you that you can ignore that the US instigates or continues the suffering of less powerful nations through its military-industrial diplomacy, but it's the trolley problem in action. We're all going to deal with the moral implications of our choices.

  • I don't get it. What's wrong with the picture? I think it's fair to think that people would be very upset Trump was elected.

    Millennials got the "Hillary is a bitch" part, without the context for how that narrative was pushed over the last 25 years.

    I think we (the millenials) recognized it as a false narrative. Granted I have only a foggy memory of the 90's and certainly not much personal political awareness, but I remember her tenure as Senator very well and aside from some hindsight 20/20 stuff, I don't have much to complain about that isn't typical liberal politics.

    Looking just at Wisconsin, Jill Stein got enough of the vote that if she hadn't been in the race, those votes almost certainly would have gone to Clinton and she would have won the state. Stein was popular among "bernie or bust" millennials and others similarly naive enough and self righteous enough to value ideological purity over people's lives.

    These two things are contradictory. If she wasn't in the race and these people were "self-righteous enough to value ideological purity" (like that's some horrible thing to value since, you know, it's not like the Democrats aren't guilty of a lot of death and destruction that some people would have a valid concern regarding, thank you very much) why would Clinton have picked up those votes? She wouldn't have and she would have lost anyway. If she wanted those votes, she could have presented more progressive policies to these voters. She pivoted slightly left trying to court Bernie votes, but made no effort at all to shed her war-hawk image. I felt dirty voting for her, personally.