A lot of time people are just upset that anytime they disagree with a progressive view they are told they are bigotted. Like if someone says they disagree with transsexuality (but not that they hate transsexuals) they get labelled as transphobic even though they just don't agree with the concept. Or, if someone tries to talk about issues within the Muslim community they get labelled as Islamaphobes. Or, if they say we need to control immigration they get labelled as xenophobic. There are extreme cases of each, but a lot of times people become extreme because they don't get to make their moderate views heard and the other extremists have loud voices nowadays.
So I think a lot of people want to be able to say "I don't think men should marry men" without being called a deplorable.
"It's my belief that all men were born with man parts and all women were born with women parts, but some people think otherwise and I disagree but I don't want to hurt them or mock them."
I am trying not to sound rude but I have never known anyone to be like that. You either support trans or you don't. Now I'm not saying you are lying it's just this is the first time I'm finding this out
I think there's a lot of these people (from my experience) but they're just too scared to say anything because they feel someone will get offended and then they will be labelled as the enemy.
We just had a local politician in our area use the "I think a lot of people back me up in my terrible opinion" as an argument. It didn't go over well with the very vocal majority that considered her opinion terrible who were very loudly letting her know what they thought while he ignored them and kept insisting that some invisible group of people that only she knew about agreed with her. But not out loud. But definitely there!
want to be able to say "I don't think men should marry men" without being called a deplorable.
This argument has been made many many many times and the answer is always the same: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. If you want to have an unpopular opinion, then live with the fact that it's an unpopular opinion. Just like if you decided that you just have to inform your neighbors every day that you 'disagree' with their hairstyle, or their clothing (except even those things are changeable, but let's not even get into that area). Your neighbor would probably - and rightly - think you're kind of an asshole. If you started insisting that your religion says that it's your responsibility to vocally disagree with their hairstyle or clothing, they're probably going to think you're a crazy asshole, and possibly look into restraining order requirements. So y'know, live with the fact that people don't have share your opinions or even respect you for the ones you have, or, god forbid here I know, but stay out of what's not your business in the first place and stop trying to use religion to try and crowbar people into the kind of society that you've decided you think is 'right' and too bad for them if that makes them suffer in much worse ways than "oh I used the word 'transsexual' and somebody told me off for using it and now I feel oppressed in a way that hasn't actually affected me."
you make me sad.
i'm sorry but you can't just say "i don't agree with the concept of transsexuality" or "i don't think men should be able to marry men" because that's ignorant and rude no matter how nice you phrase it.
everyone has the right to be whatever they want to be and it doesn't fucking hurt you if someone is trans or if two men marry each other. it's none of your business.
please stop defending discrimination. thx
use that brain of yours and think "will this thing i want to say offend this person and/or an entire comunity because of the social and historical background of said thing?"
if the answer is yes, then dont use it? 'whine whine but i want to call this black person the n word! im being censored!' i mean my man if you dont want people to get offended then dont fucking offend them lmao. just as you are 'free' to say whatever shit you want, people have the right to be offended by it
if the answer is i dont know; then dont use it? inform yourself, it's really not that hard, google is one click away
if the answer is no, you're probably lying and have no idea. and even if the person you're talking to thinks it's okay, that doesn't mean another person of the same community will be okay with it too. go back to point 2 and inform yourself.
is really not that hard! turns out, you can say whatever you want to say as long as you're not being disrespectful to other people! who would have thought?
Listen, I start out from a place of trying to be considerate of others. I know what is offensive broadly speaking, so I avoid saying, because I don't want to distress someone I'm talking to. If I make a mistake, if I say something upsetting, I will apologise and change my words because I want that person to feel comfortable, to feel like people do respect their boundaries and wellbeing
If you don't want to be considerate of others... and you keep saying stuff that upsets people... why should anyone be considerate back? If you get negative reactions because you're not being considerate and you don't want to change your behaviour, you won't get consideration returned.
Perhaps religious reasons. Maybe they believe marriage was made for a man and a woman. That doesn't mean they want to yell "fag" at homosexual individuals or mock them or offend them in any way but they just don't agree with what they are doing.
It's still offensive to people that people want to withhold what has become not just the social norm but the legal norm, so that by withholding this 'religious' ceremony, you are also withholding the rights that go along with that legal status. "It's just a religious ceremony" is a ridiculous, nonsensical, and insulting argument. Not even getting into the fact that thanks to a certain religion's act of making marriage a legal status by which one is granted some extremely important rights,marriage is the established norm socially, it is what many people grow up dreaming of, and being gay does not mean the dreams and fantasies you grew up having are suddenly wiped out. If you ever get a time machine, feel free to go back in time and advise the religious people creating the legal strucure that it's a bad, bad idea to bind their religious ceremonies up within a legal framework designed to apply to all people in a population. Until then "well it's because it's a religious ceremony" is no sort of argument in a society where churches are perfectly happy to let divorced people and/or people outside their faith marry in their churches, but suddenly get all uptight about the problem when they're confronted with the idea of two people of the same gender walking up the same aisle. (And let's face it, if they did all start blocking divorced/non-faith couples, the laws around legal status would change pretty damn quick as the population of the country said "well fuck that noise, time to remove marriage from the legal equation then", and the religious people's precious 'religious ceremony' goes back to being just that - which is exactly what they don't want.)
why should god be against love? do you really think it makes a difference to him if two men/women are in love with each other? what kind of god would forbid two people who truly love each other to marry? that would be a bad god and that's why your argument isn't valid, i'm sorry
I feel like usually when people complain about "what words are okay in a PC world" they are upset they can't call people fags or the n-word anymore.
Can you clarify about what you specifically mean?
A lot of time people are just upset that anytime they disagree with a progressive view they are told they are bigotted. Like if someone says they disagree with transsexuality (but not that they hate transsexuals) they get labelled as transphobic even though they just don't agree with the concept. Or, if someone tries to talk about issues within the Muslim community they get labelled as Islamaphobes. Or, if they say we need to control immigration they get labelled as xenophobic. There are extreme cases of each, but a lot of times people become extreme because they don't get to make their moderate views heard and the other extremists have loud voices nowadays.
So I think a lot of people want to be able to say "I don't think men should marry men" without being called a deplorable.
Ok, I'm not trying to say anything but how can you disagree with transsexuality but not hate it?
For example, someone could say:
"It's my belief that all men were born with man parts and all women were born with women parts, but some people think otherwise and I disagree but I don't want to hurt them or mock them."
I am trying not to sound rude but I have never known anyone to be like that. You either support trans or you don't. Now I'm not saying you are lying it's just this is the first time I'm finding this out
I think there's a lot of these people (from my experience) but they're just too scared to say anything because they feel someone will get offended and then they will be labelled as the enemy.
Really?? I know people either support it or don't both willing to speak there mind on the subject
We just had a local politician in our area use the "I think a lot of people back me up in my terrible opinion" as an argument. It didn't go over well with the very vocal majority that considered her opinion terrible who were very loudly letting her know what they thought while he ignored them and kept insisting that some invisible group of people that only she knew about agreed with her. But not out loud. But definitely there!
This argument has been made many many many times and the answer is always the same: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. If you want to have an unpopular opinion, then live with the fact that it's an unpopular opinion. Just like if you decided that you just have to inform your neighbors every day that you 'disagree' with their hairstyle, or their clothing (except even those things are changeable, but let's not even get into that area). Your neighbor would probably - and rightly - think you're kind of an asshole. If you started insisting that your religion says that it's your responsibility to vocally disagree with their hairstyle or clothing, they're probably going to think you're a crazy asshole, and possibly look into restraining order requirements. So y'know, live with the fact that people don't have share your opinions or even respect you for the ones you have, or, god forbid here I know, but stay out of what's not your business in the first place and stop trying to use religion to try and crowbar people into the kind of society that you've decided you think is 'right' and too bad for them if that makes them suffer in much worse ways than "oh I used the word 'transsexual' and somebody told me off for using it and now I feel oppressed in a way that hasn't actually affected me."
Well said, Terri.
Here I thought someone was posing a question about the age of personal computers.
Nothing. Go back to sleep.
Not even "Nothing. Go back to sleep."?
Not even that. You broke the rules. I'm calling the cops.
Wait, you can't call the cops, that'd break the rules too.
Racist.
That's not breaking the rules! You're a racist! I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!
Did you just assume my material?
Um. Yes. Yes, I did. Problem?
The cops are here. Byeee!
ROFL
Umm.... Kittens are cute? Maybe?
The computer age is upon us. And you're all just computing each others computations.
you make me sad. i'm sorry but you can't just say "i don't agree with the concept of transsexuality" or "i don't think men should be able to marry men" because that's ignorant and rude no matter how nice you phrase it. everyone has the right to be whatever they want to be and it doesn't fucking hurt you if someone is trans or if two men marry each other. it's none of your business. please stop defending discrimination. thx
use that brain of yours and think "will this thing i want to say offend this person and/or an entire comunity because of the social and historical background of said thing?"
is really not that hard! turns out, you can say whatever you want to say as long as you're not being disrespectful to other people! who would have thought?
Listen, I start out from a place of trying to be considerate of others. I know what is offensive broadly speaking, so I avoid saying, because I don't want to distress someone I'm talking to. If I make a mistake, if I say something upsetting, I will apologise and change my words because I want that person to feel comfortable, to feel like people do respect their boundaries and wellbeing
If you don't want to be considerate of others... and you keep saying stuff that upsets people... why should anyone be considerate back? If you get negative reactions because you're not being considerate and you don't want to change your behaviour, you won't get consideration returned.
I don't even like thinking n-word... as in n- word... I would never say it. And here in Ireland, fag is another word for cigarette.
I just mean telling someone they are racist when you don't look someone in the eye...well that's a story I saw last week
Being non-PC doesn't mean being racist. It means being able to talk without others labelling you for having different views on an issue.
I don't think that's a thing anymore though.
I assure you there are still places where if you say you disagree with gay marriage you will be labelled a homophobe.
But why would some who isn't a homophobe disagree with gay marriage?
Perhaps religious reasons. Maybe they believe marriage was made for a man and a woman. That doesn't mean they want to yell "fag" at homosexual individuals or mock them or offend them in any way but they just don't agree with what they are doing.
I never got out Marriage was a religious thing...it's not really. It's stupid but yeah I get what you mea.
*mean
It's still offensive to people that people want to withhold what has become not just the social norm but the legal norm, so that by withholding this 'religious' ceremony, you are also withholding the rights that go along with that legal status. "It's just a religious ceremony" is a ridiculous, nonsensical, and insulting argument. Not even getting into the fact that thanks to a certain religion's act of making marriage a legal status by which one is granted some extremely important rights,marriage is the established norm socially, it is what many people grow up dreaming of, and being gay does not mean the dreams and fantasies you grew up having are suddenly wiped out. If you ever get a time machine, feel free to go back in time and advise the religious people creating the legal strucure that it's a bad, bad idea to bind their religious ceremonies up within a legal framework designed to apply to all people in a population. Until then "well it's because it's a religious ceremony" is no sort of argument in a society where churches are perfectly happy to let divorced people and/or people outside their faith marry in their churches, but suddenly get all uptight about the problem when they're confronted with the idea of two people of the same gender walking up the same aisle. (And let's face it, if they did all start blocking divorced/non-faith couples, the laws around legal status would change pretty damn quick as the population of the country said "well fuck that noise, time to remove marriage from the legal equation then", and the religious people's precious 'religious ceremony' goes back to being just that - which is exactly what they don't want.)
why should god be against love? do you really think it makes a difference to him if two men/women are in love with each other? what kind of god would forbid two people who truly love each other to marry? that would be a bad god and that's why your argument isn't valid, i'm sorry