Star Wars-Oriented Chatter based upon a Fun Podcast. RTFM! ^_~
Finally finished Ep 1
I am really behind on podcasts and can only listen for 10-15 minutes at a time so it took me forever to finish it. But I absolutely adored it. I especially loved the conversation about Rey being percieved as a Mary Sue and unrelatable. It got me thinking about how White Cis Men often critize stories with a protagonist from an underrepresented group as being unrelatable. When I hear these critisms, it sounds to me like they are saying anyone who isn't white/cis/male isn't human. We are expected to relate to those characters because the w/c/m experience is universal, but we shouldn't expect them to relate to a female character or a Character of Color or, or, or. Did you come to the same conclusion? Or did you get something different out of the discussion?




I got that Rey is far from a Mary Sue.
And Thank you so much for chiming in!!!
I think I've watched The Force Awakens about 15 times and most of that with the Closed Captioning on, so I don't miss a thing. Rey has a Central Theme as well..."Who's the Girl?" It's in every Act. Maz asks Han, who shrugs.
I'm a white guy. I had to look up CIS. I found it awesome that the leads are a white gal and a brown guy! It's time. Yet I can relate to Rey and Finn. TFA is a great story. As Han Solo was in "A New Hope", Rey is the Human...she's "Us". Back Then, Han was the most human person in the alien world of Star Wars, making choices that anyone I knew would make. Han was a real anchor in the sea of alien and archetype. Rey does that to me. Finn as well. Finn's Panic Attack was the Inciting Incident, not Kylo Ren murdering Lor San Tekka. I've suffered trauma and panic. I empathize with Finn.
So I think Rey is completely relatable.
-Sully
I saw it 28 times in the theaters. I don't know how many times I've watched it at home. I couldn't stand Han until half way through Empire. Leia and Luke were that anchor for me. Han was way too demeaning toward Leia for me to sympathize with him as a character until Cloud City and I didn't emotionally connect to him until Jedi.
But that is something I love about this universe. There is someone for everyone. I feel Rey and Finn and Poe all have their moments of connection with the audience. For Finn, I had that same connection with his fear that he carries through out the movie, ESPECIALLY because of my PTSD. With Rey, it was her loneliness, her insignificance (Who's the girl?) that I feel we all battle with at some point in our life.
And I think that's what a lot of their naysayers are missing. They look at women and POC as being so "other" from them, they are missing (imo) what could be some very deep and meaningful relationships with these characters. They can't look past their own prejudices to see how Rey isn't any more "perfect" than Luke and Anakin were at their introduction.
my deepest disappointment is when folk say it steals visual cues from "A New Hope".
No...The Force Awakens borrows from all Six. Look at Kylo Ren & Han on the catwalk in Act 3. Flip the frame and we got Vader reaching out to Luke...in cinema terms, not even Storywise or Staw Wars-y.
Cheers
Recognizing Obi-Wan and Maul in Rey and Kylo's battle made my stomach clench and gave me all the feels. I have a friend who always said it best: "Star Wars is circular. That's a feature. Not a bug."
I had the best experience a few months back. Hanging out with some old friends and their kids. Check This: The 9yo boy and the 17yo gal & guy, all Star Wars nuts answered my question correctly.
Who is Young Rey passed off to in her Force vision?
It was the Light of the Force, lemme tell you. Cheers ^_^
Let's Bring Up:
Han & Leia's Dynamic!
It's established at their first meeting. I love it.
"Oh...I'm beginning to like her!"
I loved them because of Cloud City. I was disgusted by him and the thought of her liking him before then. I don't talk about their relationship much because I know a lot of people adore Han and root for them to be together from the beginning and I don't want to be disrespectful of that opinion. But I do not agree with it.
I literally put gum in a girl's hair once. We were in 8th grade. Her name is Francessca. She had long blonde hair and huge limpid brown eyes.
She sprayed me in the eyes with air freshener.
It was 1987.
No one got arrested. Yet I have to say after all these years...I think I liked her. ^_^
your wish came true I guess. They couldn't hold whatever they had. I love that there is a Message in Kylo Ren. Regardless of how good your parents are...and this is Leia and Han!!! The kid is their own person, with everything that goes along with being a person, good people and evil.
I don't know what you mean by "my wish came true". And The Visual Dictionary and Bloodlines made it pretty clear Kylo is the product of his absentee parents.
sorry but I'm not into reading ancillary books to fill in the blanks with Star Wars anymore. I did pick up the Marvel Comics POE DAMERON & C-3P0 yet those were moments of weakness. Cheers!
"Wish Coming True" was simply about Han & Leia no longer being together. ^_^
and the C-3P0 came from the suggestion of Amy Ratcliff of this podcast. It's actually a wonderful story penned by James Robinson of Vertigo's STARMAN fame. And the art is 70's horror comic spooky! Great job. POE DAMERON is drawn by Phil Noto, one of my favorite comics. Cheers!
I had no wish for them to not work out. I felt Leia changed Han in a lot of great ways.
this is where I thought by being "your wish came true". Initially, I read this as you not being a fan of them together. Loceinto! Cheers! Are you still listening? They Lattes Ladies gave me a huge shoutout in #9 Anakin/Vader. I'll be starting a thread later. Please chime in if you can. Thanks! ^_^