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Game of Thrones

Game of Thrones

The TV show Game of Thrones and the book series A Song of Ice and Fire

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Posted byifindkarmain/game_of_thrones-Jun 26, 2016 at 8:17 PM

Let's discuss s610 "The Winds of Winter". Spoilers are okay.

OMG OMG OMG !!!

Where to begin ???

What did you like?

What did you dislike?

What will happen next season?

Discuss!

Comments121
  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:19 PMΔ

    Please oh please let Lady Mormont have a bigger role in season 7.

    • amyvJun 27, 2016 at 1:03 PMΔ

      She is everything

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 1:04 PM

        Yes she is, Amy! I want Lady Mormont on the Iron Throne at the end!!

  • MerahJun 26, 2016 at 8:49 PMΔ

    *SPOILERS**

    First off, I loved the work behind the episode - they did a perfect job with the music, the cinematography, the dialogue (and lack thereof at times). It was such a relief to see they didn't crap out on the last episode of the season.

    Second, I can't believe the killed Margaery!! I can't believe Tommen just fucking jumped out the window! I seriously did not see that coming.

    I loveloveloved that Arya fucking fed that piece of shit his sons and cut his goddamn throat. I wanted so badly for it to be Arya to kill Frey and it was not disappointing in the least.

    I did not see this thread coming with Cersei...I think I like show Cersei better than book Cersei. She's closer to everything I'd ever wish her to be (diabolical, cunning, vengeful). I am curious too how things are going to move forward between her and Jamie because in the book they really aren't getting along well, and that look he was giving her from the balcony....it wasn't his happy face.

    • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:05 PMΔ

      That Arya scene was wonderfully gruesome and a nice surprise that they didn't drag it out or leave it on a cliffhanger.

      Killing Margaery was unexpected and TERRIBLE. I miss her already!

      Cersei didn't even weep for Tommen. It's like she knew it was going to happen.

      Cersei on the Iron Throne sent a chill down my spine. I don't know where they're going with her and Jaime's plot except that Winterfell, Dorne, and Daenerys now all want to attack her.

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 9:38 PMΔ

        I don't think she knew it would happen, but I think she lost the ability to feel sorrow. She has weeped for two other children and that did her no good. The only thing she has left is continue to play the game.

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:41 PMΔ

        She has a lot left. She has the Iron Throne, she has Jaime, and she gives zero fucks.

        That's a scary combination.

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 9:51 PMΔ

        Donno if she has Jamie anymore, and the throne is looking rather weak given she has pretty much zero allies at this point.

        The zero fucks bit is very true though. I don't see her winning at this point, but she is going to do her hardest to make sure no one else wins either.

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:55 PMΔ

        Good points. She does still have The Mountain and Qyburn and more Wildfyre. She can wreak a lot of havoc.

        Who's the next heir to the throne if she dies? Jaime?

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 10:13 PMΔ

        I really donno how the throne line works. I kinda assumed at this point it was more just Cersei saying "I'm claiming it" and there not being anyone else in King's Landing who wanted to challenge her for it. If she dies, and its not because Dany and her Dragons showed up and killed her, I presume Jamie would probably claim it but I really don't know.

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:15 PM

        Good points. Today the throne officially passed from Baratheon to Lannister. If she dies, it is anyone's for the taking.

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:31 AMΔ

        Tommen was already dead to her, just as Rickon was already dead to Sansa before the battle ever began.

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:32 AMΔ

        She's the Re-virginised Queen aka Elizabeth I of Westeros.

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:34 AMΔ

        Probably the horror-child of Septa Ulenna and the Franken-mountain.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:27 AMΔ

        Remind me what happens to Queen Elizabeth I?

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:27 AM

        That's a good point about Tommen and Rickon already being dead.

        They were the weakest generation.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:28 AM

        Ulenna + Franken-mountain = Jon Snow II ?

      • LiofaJun 28, 2016 at 8:38 AMΔ

        I think when he outlawed trial by combat he essentially sentenced her to death and she immediately hardened her heart to him. He was lost to her as soon as he was won over by the HS and became a religious zealot who was really just a puppet for the HS to control. Tommen was dead to her long before he took a swan dive onto the cobbles.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 11:53 AM

        That's a really good theory.

        Question now is: What does Cersei want now?

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:49 PMΔ

        I think she'll always protect her children because they're hers and she's actually very loyal to her family, but I agree she seemed to have felt nothing because he'd already turned his back on her and sentenced her to death essentially.

        I felt when she said "he should be with his brother, sister, and grandfather...burn him and bury his ashes where the sept stood" was like her saying "you choose Margaery and the Sparrow over me in life and in death...you want to be with them so bad? Fine. Burn him."

        Also, I forgot her other children and father were buried there until she said something...I think that's a pretty big deal and a huge pointer to her state of mind right now. I don't think she'd normally do that.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:25 PMΔ

        Merah yeah she not only killed all those people but burned the corpses of her children and father. Safe to say she gives zero fucks now.

        So what does Cersei want now? To see the world burn?

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 2:56 PMΔ

        I don't know honestly...I would've said she wanted power and respect and an empire essentially. But now, I think she's going to go down the Mad King path and Jamie is going to be the one to kill her. I think him coming back to King's Landing, seeing part of it burning, and then seeing his sister on the throne - I think he had a flashback and was displeased.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 3:37 PMΔ

        Didn't he have a conversation with her earlier this season about watching the world burn together?

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 6:30 PMΔ

        Yeah I guess so, but I'm discounting those interactions tbh because they didn't really happen that way in the book. I feel like this season they emphasized a false connection between the two of them that is no longer there is the books to make their (suspected) division in Season 7 more impactful.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 7:13 PMΔ

        It would be interesting to see the show and the books end up in different places.

      • MerahJun 29, 2016 at 9:20 AMΔ

        My secret worry is now that the show has surpassed the books timeline, Martin may be tempted/influenced to mirror the book more towards whatever's happening/planned for the show.

      • ifindkarmaJun 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM

        I don't worry about that at all. GRRM is too set in his ways to be affected by ANYONE.

    • phusionJun 27, 2016 at 11:42 PMΔ

      Yeah, what an amazing episode. I too was sad that they killed off Marg, but she lasted quite a long time, yknow? They are priming us for "The End", because winter has come and with it, the end of the series. Many more will go before the end of season 8, so hold on to your butts.

      I sorta saw Tommen's death coming, I haven't read any of the books, but from various discussions on /r/asoif, I believe there were some happenings in the books that pointed to Tommen going out the window or otherwise falling out. It was a really powerful scene, they didn't ham it up or make it overly dramatic, he took off his crown and stepped out. He could no longer live in a world without the faith and in a reality where his mother would torch the entire sept of people.

      The gripe I had with the episode was the one after another "OH SHIT" moments all packed right next to each other. The sept bombing, Walder's assassination, the launching of the ships, they had too just tie everything up in the last episode. With normal GoT pacing, all of those things would take three episodes, so it felt a little rushed. Other than that, I enjoyed the episode quite a bit and I'm psyched for next year when we get S7!

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 11:55 AMΔ

        Yeah after dragging things out for years suddenly they're in a rush to get to the end?

        Do we know for sure there will be eight seasons?

      • phusionJun 28, 2016 at 1:26 PMΔ

        Yes, we've been hearing that we're getting two more seasons, both with considerably less episodes than the previous six seasons.

        http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/game-of-thrones-end-date-season-8-1201752746/

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:26 PMΔ

        Fewer episodes hopefully means more money for special effects.

        Still, I am disappoint. They don't need to rush here. We're at the good part! Please drag it out! More Lady Mormont! More dragons! More everything!

      • kingslayerJun 29, 2016 at 12:08 PM

        I've also heard that though the seasons will be shorter, episodes will be longer than they traditionally have, although admittedly I can't remember the source I heard this from.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    I think Tyrion enjoys being The Hand a lot more the second time around.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:24 PMΔ

    Sending Melisandre south doesn't seem like much of a punishment.

    I guess now she can meet Arya after all.

    • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:26 AMΔ

      I forgot that Melisandre is still on Arya's kill list for taking Gendry.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_PUSSYCATJun 27, 2016 at 2:25 PMΔ

        Oh shit, that'd be crazy. Maybe Gendry will come back and she won't care so much anymore though. I think bringing Jon back is a good enough redemption too.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 2:48 PM

        True but does she know Jon is Arya's brother?

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:51 PMΔ

        I forgot Melisandre is on her list HOLY BALLS SHE'S FUCKED

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:28 PM

        Unless Mel can convince Arya that she needs her. Which is possible.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:20 PMΔ

    Cersei is truly diabolical.

    Does Jaime still love her? I can't tell.

    • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 9:36 PMΔ

      Jaime loves her in the same way that Cersei loved Joffery

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:39 PM

        Well then next season is going to be tense.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:22 PM

    That look on Arya's face at the reveal.

    Pure bliss.

  • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:51 AMΔ

    Did I mention that I entertained the notion that it's the twins, Cersei and Jaime, that Aerys II fathered on Joanna Lannister and not Tyrion. I would be pleased if the book, if not the show, ultimately reveals that Tyrion is actually Tywin's own son.

    • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:36 AMΔ

      Fascinating theory. In any case it's heartwarming that Tyrion is finally where he belongs.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:59 PMΔ

    Neat parallel:

    Daenerys with Tyrion beside her

    Yara with Theon beside her

    Sansa with Jon beside her

    Cersei with Jaime nodding to her

    • PM_ME_YOUR_PUSSYCATJun 27, 2016 at 2:31 PMΔ

      Jaime's going to kill Cersei though. He killed the Mad King just to prevent him from doing what she did. The prophecy said her younger brother would kill her too.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 2:48 PM

        She already did it. No sense killing her now.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:18 PM

    Too good of a fate for Walder Frey.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:22 PM

    That look on Sam's face in the library.

    Pure bliss.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:19 PMΔ

    Am I the only one who found the Tower of Joy reveal to be... Disappointing?

    • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 9:35 PMΔ

      I feel like it was one of those things that should've been an incredible reveal, but then once the R+L=J theory got out and everyone went "okay yeah that makes way too much sense to not be true" and so then when they finally confirm it its a little underwhelming.

      I was still hype for it though.

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:40 PMΔ

        I was hype for it too but it felt rushed and anticlimactic.

        Without source material to draw from, the writers seemed lost.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_PUSSYCATJun 27, 2016 at 2:33 PM

        Yeah I mean 20 years is a long time to keep a secret that big. Martin likes to lay the foundation for big reveals through subtle hints in his writing and somebody was bound to make the connection.

      • the_dog_godJun 27, 2016 at 10:51 PMΔ

        I was pretty bummed they still felt the need to hold back Jon's true name, the whole scene was less a reveal and more a confirmation :/

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 11:56 AMΔ

        Exactly! The big reveal was not so big. :(

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:52 PMΔ

        Agreed - I still sat on my couch clapping excitedly, but seriously....everyone pretty much knows Jon is his nephew. What the fans are more interested in is WHO is the father and under what conditions.

        Also, wasn't there a girl twin for Jon? I mean, I know its too late to introduce that story line, but.... :(

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:29 PMΔ

        There should have been a twin girl. That would be so Star Wars!

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 2:33 PMΔ

        YES! Everyone thinks its Meera...I don't see it. She's not as heavily emphasized as Jon, even in the books (imo) :/

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:44 PM

        She could just be a character not yet introduced. That would be awesome too.

  • KaelaJun 26, 2016 at 10:21 PMΔ

    Best season finale ever? Best season finale ever. I don't think I've ever been so satisfied with any episode of TV.

    • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:29 PMΔ

      Best season finale ever, but...

      Where is the Hound? Where is the Brotherhood without Banners? Why did they reintroduce them this season only to leave that plot hanging?

      Why doesn't Coldhands bring Bran back to the Wall?

      Didn't the Arya scene seem rushed and how did she get there so quickly from Braavos?

      Speaking of which how did Varys get to Dorne and back so quickly?

      Why do Jon and Davos let Melisandre go?

      Why does Sansa let Littlefinger live?

      Who are these "so many enemies" Jon Snow talks of besides Cersei and the White Walkers?

      No LHS? Where is Brienne?

      Where is Jorah?

      And why was the Tower of Joy scene so anticlimactic?

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 10:34 PMΔ

        Where is the Hound? Where is the Brotherhood without Banners? Why did they reintroduce them this season only to leave that plot hanging?

        The red woman is going south now... I think they'll meet up early in S7 and they wanted to reintroduce them now so they don't have to wind that up at the start of the season

        Why doesn't Coldhands bring Bran back to the Wall?

        Didn't they explain that with hand wavy "the wall is made of magic" stuff?

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:38 PMΔ

        So Coldhands basically went as far as he could? Does that mean the Walkers still can't pass through the wall either? Why doesn't he just touch Bran to stop the magic like the Night's King did?

        Good point about the Hound / Melisandre / Arya reunion.

        I'm really hoping there are two seasons left not one. Felt like they rushed through a lot this season.

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 10:41 PMΔ

        Yeah. I'm thinking a season to resolve the war of the five queens, and then a (maybe reduced) season to be like "oh shit the white walkers are actually here here" and wrap everything up would be perfect.

        Then if HBO wants to keep printing money they can just go back and do stuff about the mad king

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:49 PMΔ

        The war of the five queens! Brilliant!

        Daenerys, Yara, Cersei, Ellaria, Olenna, Sansa... Wait, there are six queens! Seven if we throw in Lady Mormont. :)

        Season eight for humanity uniting against the White Walkers would be epic.

        There's still time for CleganeBowl too. :)

      • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 11:02 PMΔ

        Counting is hard

      • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 11:16 PMΔ

        I really hope Queen Mormont enters the game. :)

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:44 AMΔ

        The Hound and the Brotherhood are going North to defend the Wall with the Night's Watch. They'll probably take the oath as well.

        Arya ex Machina I forgive. Maybe she met Gendry rowing his boat halfway and gave him a few quick lessons on rowing like No One. LOL

        Varys probably took a dragon there and back again. Did you know he probably lost his shaft and nuts in his youth because he's a Targaryen and some servant of the other needed king's blood magic to talk to the Great Other? I wonder how his meeting with the bad pussy went? Material for much hilarity there.

        Mel still has a role to play.

        She's not done with Littlefinger yet and she's not totally bloodless yet. Arya will probably slit his throat anyway.

        Enemies - Do you trust the Umbers, Bronze Yohn Roce, Littlefinger, or even the show Manderlys?

        How would you have injected drama in there? They were trying to fit it into a packed episode. Maybe Bran will have further visions of the Tower in Joy in Season 7.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:31 AM

        Okay these are all good points except that after all this buildup the Tower of Joy scene felt rushed.

        And that's a really good point that Winterfell has lots of enemies and could spend all of season 7 uniting the north for the battle against the white walkers.

        I like the thought of the Hound and Brotherhood taking the oath. They seem like they could be the new night's watch.

        I like the theory that Varys and Tyrion are both stealth Targaryens too. We could have the seven kingdoms united under Targaryens finally!

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:54 PM

        I never thought of the Hound taking the Night's Watch Oath...very fitting, I like it. I think we're still owed a Clegane Bowl first though. Its his arch-nemesis and worst fear come to life.

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM

        I did NOT think about Varys being Targaryen...I'm excited about the reveal of what he heard in the fire.

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:58 PMΔ

        Seriously re: Brienne - did you take the long way around Westeros?? How did Varys travel back and forth from Meeren, Arya make her way to the Freys...and she's STILL not home.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:30 PM

        Perhaps Varys the Targaryen flew by dragon? :)

        Brienne is taking the Gendry "row row row your boat" route.

        And I agree that we are owed a CleganeBowl.

  • uuahJun 27, 2016 at 7:10 PMΔ

    The music leading up to the King's Landing scene was soooo good!

    • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 7:59 PM

      Yes that music was so well done!

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Margaery figured it out a few minutes too late.

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:29 PMΔ

    Darn it, I hoped we were done with Dorne.

    I guess not.

    • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:27 AMΔ

      Why did the bad pussy leave King's Landing? They went all the way there just to kill their cousin? and then sailed home to wait for the Queen of Thorns and Varys to make them offers too good to refuse?

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:32 AM

        Lazy writers, that's why. And/or they weren't getting good cues from GRRM without source material to pull from.

  • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:37 AM

    Tommen took the phrase "Kings Landing" too literally.

  • CluckyBJun 26, 2016 at 9:33 PMΔ

    Sing A Song Of Ice And Fire, Dragons In The Sky Four and Twenty Frey Parts Baked Into a Pie

    • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 9:42 PMΔ

      Lol. Finally Edmure Tully can get out of the dungeon.

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:36 AMΔ

        Fuck him! He gave up his name, lands and Uncle for a scrap of dry bread and water. He's been dead for a long time. If his Frey son lives, he'll inherit the Tully lands and Walder will have the last laugh from beyond the grave.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:34 AMΔ

        Perhaps the Blackfish is still alive and will teach him a lesson. :)

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 10:33 AM

        If wishes were trout...

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:40 PMΔ

        HAHAHA I literally read ifindkarma's comment, looked away to take a sip of tea and thought "Fuck him." and looked back to see that was your exact response. <3 <3 <3

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:31 PMΔ

        Nobody likes Edmure. :)

        I'm still hoping he gets a redemption arc.

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 2:57 PMΔ

        Why??? He's such a useless shit. He just rubs me the wrong way, I strongly dislike him.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 3:36 PM

        Sometimes useless shits become useful.

        Samwell Tarly started off a useless shit too. Look at him now!

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:40 PM

    Winter is here.

    What does that mean??

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:29 PMΔ

    So Coldhands just leaves Bran... Why?

    • PM_ME_YOUR_PUSSYCATJun 27, 2016 at 2:27 PMΔ

      He can't pass the wall because he's half white walker. There's magic keeping them all out.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 2:49 PMΔ

        I thought if Bran passes the wall he negates the magic?

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 1:00 PMΔ

        So him and Meera are just going to live in the snow forever and ever and ever? She can't leave him alone, she can't move him, she can't fend for the both of them for long periods of time....idk the wrap up on that storyline sucked. I feel like they half assed it because they wanted to show us the Tower of Joy before the end of the episode.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:32 PM

        Bran's the Raven now, so can't he and amera go live in a Weirwood somewhere.

        You're right, that storyline started so promising and then screwed itself. Lazy writers!

  • PlainAndLittleJun 27, 2016 at 10:16 AMΔ

    In terms of who runs the north -- it will be interesting to see what the division of power is between Jon and Sansa. She has already expressed discontent over being discounted, while he expressed unhappiness over her not trusting him over the Knights of the Vale. Looks like there may be some jostling and drama over who has what duties

    • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 1:07 PM

      Kind of like when Robb is angry with Cat for letting Jaime Lannister go?

    • PastaJun 28, 2016 at 2:41 AMΔ

      Reminder that Edmure Tully is still imprisoned and simply having a pregnant wife in a volatile world doesn't mean that succession in Riverrun is a sure thing. Bran is out of the picture politics-wise, and given the circumstances Sansa finally getting her break inheriting Riverrun is a real possibility if something happens to Edmure and/or his baby, this is something Jon has no claim to if shit hits the fan.

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 11:57 AM

        Fascinating possibilities for surprises to come! Yes please!

  • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:49 AMΔ

    So next season, I guess Daenerys lands in Dorne and reinforces herself with the forces of Dorne and The Reach before heading North to take on King's Landing and the much reduced forces of the new Lannister Queen.

    • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:35 AMΔ

      Makes sense to me. Doesn't she have to defeat Euron before marching on Kings Landing?

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 10:34 AMΔ

        Euron's planning to offer her his thousand ships and his well endowed appendage. He's the Greyjoy brother-sister's problem.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 1:06 PM

        My friend's enemy is my enemy in Daenerys World.

  • eddardstarkJun 28, 2016 at 6:57 AMΔ

    okay, so here is a question:

    ARE WE CONCERNED THAT MY SON BRAN IS GOING TO CROSS THE WALL, DESTROYING IT'S MAGICAL DEFENSES VIA THE NIGHT KING'S BRAND?

    • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 11:59 AM

      YES BRAN DONT DO IT !!!

      I thought Coldhands was smart enough to stop him from doing so.

      Nope.

  • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 12:45 PMΔ

    Do you ever get so excited about something that your hands getting all shaky and your mind dancing around and goes crazy?? This is how I feel with this whole post I LOVE TALKING ABOUT GAME OF THRONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 2:33 PMΔ

      Mee too Merah! Are you named after Meera?

      I was hoping for a "Meera is Jon Snow's sister" reveal. Dammit.

      • MerahJun 28, 2016 at 2:49 PMΔ

        Lol no, its a play on my name in another language. :)

      • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 3:37 PM

        Ah, ok. Thank you for clarifying. :)

  • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 8:27 PMΔ

    You know something, Jon Snow.

    • ifindkarmaJun 26, 2016 at 10:14 PMΔ

      The true king of the North.

      /game_of_thrones/post/how_to_terrify_me_in_six_gifs

      • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:30 AMΔ

        They parallels.

        Now what happens when Arya (hopefully with Nymeria) and Brandon come home?

        Brandon has a greater claim plus he's going to be The Tree in the North (I coined that and I like it).

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:33 AM

        Maybe Brandon can't be king because he's Tree.

      • PastaJun 28, 2016 at 3:56 PM

        I stand by my staunch belief that Bran is out of the picture politics-wise. He will not end in a position of power after so much time was spent on establishing Sansa and Jon's development in that realm whereas he runs around in the forest doing magic and prophecy and all that.

    • VanlalJun 27, 2016 at 4:29 AMΔ

      He still knows nothing. Don't miss that look between Littlefinger and Jnr Miss Littlefinger.

      • ifindkarmaJun 27, 2016 at 8:33 AM

        Do not call her that! I hope Sansa finally overcomes him.

  • PastaJun 28, 2016 at 3:39 PMΔ

    When Dany mentioned marriage is one of her most valuable political chips, it really seems like the showrunners are pushing for Jon x Dany.

    Consider:

    • The Reach ruled by woman with no available penises

    • Dorne ruled by women with no available penises

    • Iron Island to be wrecked by Dany faction

    • Edmure Tully is married

    • Stormlands status unknown, but no penis there for sure

    Which leaves Dany -

    • Sweetrobin - just no, LOL. also, see my notes on LF below.

    • Theon - kinda addressed this already, but no because he's already on Dany's side and the Iron Islands want independence....marriage does nothing here.

    • Tyrion - already Hand of the Queen, marriage does nothing here.

    • Gendry - legitimize all the bastards! I'm guessing the Stormlands are directly ruled by the Crown now? Who knows. Maybe Dany wants to fill the power gap or something. A possibility but it's a longshot.

    Unless Dany elevates some houses, which is a possibility, Jon is probably the strongest option for her atm. They may have the opportunity to meet once the WW invasion gets going and mucks up her conquest plans. Everyone else in Westeros is either going to be rekt or is already on Dany's side, Jon is the only uncertain element as far as she is concerned as KitN. What would Jon get out of it? Defeating LF, as it would certainly put a huge monkey wrench in his plans if the king he just declared for shacks up with a much stronger claimant to the Iron Throne. LF tries to go after Jon, gets killed by his own greed and treachery.

    Also the book series is called "The Song of Ice and Fire" and all that.....while Jon is both, yes, he was raised as a Stark so he still gets to be "ice" while Dany brings the fire.

    • ifindkarmaJun 28, 2016 at 4:00 PMΔ

      The eligible bachelors in Westeros are dropping like wildfire.

      How about Jaime? Tormund? Anyone but Jon Snow, who is her uncle, right?

      Maybe GRRM is trying to showcase a transition that declares that queens don't need to be married.

      • PastaJun 28, 2016 at 4:10 PMΔ

        She's Jon's aunt, actually. Incest is common for Targaryens (her parents, and Jon's grandparents were brother and sister after all) so at this point I'm pretty desensitized to the whole incest angle. I actually think being Jon's aunt makes it more appealing to her, it's a way she can legitimately sit on the Iron Throne since technically the throne is rightfully his, not hers. Plus, no one but Bran and the Reeds know atm.

        I find Jaime unlikely for similar reasons to Tyrion, for all intents and purposes Dany already has her alliance with House Lannister. Not to mention, for personal reasons Dany is unlikely to want to touch the man who killed her father and Jaime is unpacking a lot of feelings of grief for falling in love with a monster. I don't think Tormund will be an advantageous marriage for her since he's a wildling and all.

        Queens don't need to be married but I was curious because Dany herself put an emphasis on marriage as a tool she will utilize to achieve her conquest and I was thinking out loud what her actual options were.

      • ifindkarmaJun 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM

        There's always Gendry. He's the last Baratheon, right?

        Funny how incest is fine for Targaryens but not for Lannisters.

        Maybe Dany will just break the old rules and not marry at all even though her words demonstrate that she is willing.

        Or maybe she'll marry Jorah like all us shippers have been waiting for.

        Or I guess she could marry Bran and unite with the Starks without there being incest, but that complicates who should be on the throne. It's Dany on the throne that I'd like to see.

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