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Here Comes The Sun

Here Comes The Sun

A rubbish bin for Kara Zor-El/Alex Danvers shippers.

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Posted bywoodfacein/kalex-Oct 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM

Supergirl Monday (2x03)

  • season 2
  • season 2 spoilers
  • meta

It's that time of the week again which means I'm throwing up this post in case anyone wants to flail and yell about feelings. Let's hear it what you make of the new episode!

Comments170
  • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 6:51 AMΔ

    Okay so this episode was great, which is surprising coming from me considering how little Kalex moments we had. On the other hand, though, Alex had a lot of screentime, and what they did with her was awesome. From her first meeting with Maggie and the tension, both stubborn and cocky, to the scene where she drives a bike omg, to the bar fight with the alien, usual reckless behaviour etc, she was amazing in here.

    I was a bit wary we'd get in-your-face Alex and Maggie immediatly flirting or that cheesy close-up of the 'omg I'm in love!!" moment like Karolsen did, but everything went better than expected. I was worried that their scenes would feel forced too, but they weren't, and I'm happy to note Chyler and Floriana have a great chemistry together. So, fingers crossed this is developed well and in a slow burn way. Alex and in general queer representation deserve more care. I'd be happy if they just stayed friends, but if they end up dating instead, I'm pretty glad it's Maggie. They did the character justice in my opinion, she's a badass but also sensitive, and I just loved how comfortable she was in her own skin and all the casual mentions of her ex and sexuality. I hope they don't drag the matter of Alex coming out for too long, in my head I've always seen her as already aware she likes the ladies, but we'll see. I know Chyler will kill it either way :)

    KARA you nerd, I died when she told Lena she...flew...there on a bus, lmao. She was adorable in this episode, her fangirling over the president was too sweet, and the wink nods to the Wonder Woman movie made me squeal too. However, I didn't like when Kara went all almighty and judgy towards Mon-El (which btw, as I told others last night, why is he called Mon-El here? Why not Lar Gand? He gets the name Mon-El in the comics only because at some point he suffered amnesia upon landing our planet, where he gained powers like the other Supes, so Superboy assumed he was a long lost brother. On the show however he's not part of the El house, let alone a Kryptonian and they knew straight away, nobody thought he was a relative of Kara, so....?)

    I wanna say the actor didn't impress me, nor I noticed a particular good chemistry or feeling in the scenes with Melissa, so I sure hope they don't pair them up, ugh. We'll see where this arc is going. It could be interesting to see Kara taking n a mentor role, or... it could go so very wrong.

    Kara's scenes with Lena instead always make me smile because I have a soft spot for Katie, and seeing Lena so casually relaxed and friendly was nice, but I have a feeling Lena will be more of a foe now that it's clear how anti-aliens she is.

    Also I'm in love with M'gann M'orzz, yaaaas, can't wait to see her future scenes with J'onn. Speaking of, I've seen some people complaining about the not so veiled references to "different" people's rights at a time when there's the US election going on, but I obviously enjoyed it, same when J'onn mentioned living for years with the face of a black man, oh snap.

    Now, let's talk Kalex... I didn't like how Alex lied and hid what she was doing and where she was going from Kara, all through the episode. Kara did ask her how she recognized the fire lady, but Alex brushed off the question, didn't let her know how closely she worked with Maggie, which was odd I think. I guess she may have told her or at least J'onn later, since J'onn went to the same alien bar, but I still noticed something was off in certain Kalex scenes. I felt some slight tension or residual defensiveness between them, and I wonder if it was on purpose. But my heart melted when Kara called Alex a 'dummy' ahaha, despite the harsh tone. These big puppies, always worried about each other. (Still waiting for a hug or a ILY scene though...)

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      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 1:18 PMΔ

        I saw some chemistry between Melissa and Mehcad in the first episode of s1 maybe, then it all went sour when the forced writing tried to make me ship Karolsen so freaking hard, nope. It's the wrong way to make a ship work, dudes. But yeah, the actor playing Mon-El was so very bland, I'm not feeling it.

        YES, give me all the scenes of pan Kara flustered by attractive smart women and blabbing all about it to a very poker-faced Alex, poor herrrr.

    • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 12:58 PM

      I don't think Alex lied about the alien bar once Maggie was taken. The exposition obviously happened off screen, but the fact that Kara was right there at the foundry, I'm pretty sure she knew what was up.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:34 PM

        Oh yeah, I guess at the end they knew, but I still don't 100% enjoy when Alex lie, and why did she feel the need to keep it hidden in the first place. Like, with the help of subtext, I can think of a couple of reasons, but still. I need more Kalex moments ON SCREEN.

        Also, the thought of Kara bugging Alex until she takes her to the alien bar is adorable lol.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM

        I think she wanted to assess the threat level Maggie posed and she didn't expect to walk into a bar full of aliens. I mean, I'm not a fan of Alex keeping secrets either, but I doubt she thought there was a risk (Even if she seems to be living dangerously rn).

        Alex would be very nervous about taking Kara there. Especially as Supergirl because those aliens might dislike Supergirl or Kara's mother. She'd be on edge the entire time.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:47 PM

        Kara could go in as dorky human Danvers, but I agree, as Supergirl it may be risky. And even if those aliens are decent people, and just want to be left alone, I think Alex would be too nervous for it to happen atm.

        the promo of the next episode, OH MAN, there was a close up of Alex looking so worried when Kara is fighting at that alien fight club. It's like her nightmare!

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 4:36 PM

        @woodface I like how you're interpreting Alex's actions as her assessing Maggie's threat level. I overlooked that. It'd be natural for Alex to be suspicious of Maggie, especially when the detective had mysteriously shown up at crime scenes and points of interest. She'd risk her own life before leading Kara or any agents into a trap. And if it turns out to be nothing, she doesn't want to be the girl who cried wolf.

        I also think Alex compartmentalizes lying and omission of information as separate things. After she realizes the coast is clear, she likely reported her findings to J'onn, which is how he ends up in the bar.

        @floorplan91 If Alex ever does bring Kara to the alien bar, you can be sure she'll throughly vet every patron and cross reference them against the Fort Rozz prisoner list. (And then remember drunk Kara? lmao)

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 4:40 PM

        Oh god, @theriacs you just gave me a very interesting image, which reminds me of that fic I'm not writing that I told you about. It's an alien bar, indeed, so did they create drinks that work on the different species, their DNA, etc? We could get drunk!Kara for real now lol.

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 4:44 PM

        @floorplan91 Kara is a ten shot wonder, lmfao. And they totally do! Daxamite Boy was asking about some alien ale, so I'm assuming it can get him wasted. And Kara too. Hopefully not together.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 4:47 PMΔ

        NO @theriacs together, no no no, thank you, guys are not allowed.

        See, I'm torn between the image of Kara feeling so very affected by their 'alcohol', since she never got drunk before, hence she's a lightweight, and just doing the silliest things, from being a carefree dork to flirting with a very flustered Alex - and the thought of Kara just jugging down shot after shot, completely able to keep her liquor like a pro, to Alex's surprise ahahah

        Obviously it'd end either way with them dancing together, 'cause it's my fantasy and I say so!

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 5:10 PM

        @floorplan91 I approve of this message.

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      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 6:52 PMΔ

        @Superpuppy I do have a story with drunk Kara... I just need to decide if one mere chapter is worth sharing, 'cause it was supposed to be a multichap.

      • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:35 AM

        Yep! It makes so much sense that Alex would assess the threat before letting Kara anywhere near Maggie or any alien.

        But, I think she told Kara off screen about the bar after Kara asks where she got her info (or something). Before the second time she goes there. I just wish they had done it onscreen.

        I was expecting both of them to go there to get info about Maggie, but given that Alex might be worried about Kara's safety, it makes sense that she went alone.

        I have noticed that Alex's first reaction to any new person is raising her hackles; she doesn't seem to trust easily. And Kara trusts too easily :).

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:53 AMΔ

        Yeah, it's her modus operandi lol. It's not that she doesn't seem to trust, she definitely doesn't trust people easily, nor she likes to open up about her feelings.

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      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 2:28 PM

        Alright, I'mma post it soon then :D

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      • floorplan91Oct 29, 2016 at 9:00 PM

        @Superpuppy here :) http://floorplan91.tumblr.com/post/152490089678/fic-supergirl-superluminal

    • venus_karengOct 25, 2016 at 9:07 PM

      The fact that he called himself Mon El didn't even register with me how odd that is, wow I'm slow. That is really odd, I wonder if it'll turn out to be that he is a distant cousin or somehow related to Kara and Clark although for that to be we should have seen Kara react to the name but she didn't.

      Could the "El" name be common? Kind of like "Smith" is in the US.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 10:09 PM

        No, not in this verse. The house of El is a BIG deal. They're one of the noble ruling houses on Krypton. It's be very weird for it to be common, I think.

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 11:48 PM

        If I recall correctly, the members of the House of El are supposedly descendants from Rao. They played a very prominent role in establishing Kryptonian society. Even aliens from different planets recognize its significance.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 11:56 PM

        Sometimes I hate how sloppy and hamfisted these writers are. It's like @Superpuppy says, they need to pick character over plot. They keep cramming so much into one episode, not giving room for letting the characters deal with things on screen.

        I like that we saw Kara carrying around the baggage of her world, but to miss something this huge? Come on.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:44 AMΔ

        No @venus_kareng definitely not a possibility, it's not just a surname. In the comic they think he's a kryptonian related to Superboy because he doesn't remember anything else but has the same powers, that's the sole reason he gets the "El".

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:49 AMΔ

        @woodface Which is surprising to me. Things like this are not mere little details, and it's baffling how a comic fan who knows the basic about Kryptonian would overlook it. Show runners should take care of stuff like this. I guess they thought we wouldn't care, perhaps they opted to go for the nostalgic route, since Mon-El is a more familiar name?

      • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 4:21 AM

        Yep, it is very strange since they have said time and again that these folks are Comic Books fans.

        I have not read Comic Books but even I noticed that.

        Ugh the writing, gets stuff wrong even when they get so much right.

    • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 1:40 AM

      The US election thing seemed well done to me; and I thought it was brave and something they could have never done in CBS (as far as I have heard about the channel).

      I was a bit worried about the President turning out to be an alien though.. I am not sure what kind of message that sends across.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 3:50 AM

        @Apveng I have to wonder, will they bring back Lynda? 'Cause otherwise it's a bit odd to go and drop this bomb of having an alien president in their universe without a plan to follow through with it.

      • ApvengOct 27, 2016 at 12:04 AM

        I think yes. Or, there is no point it; may be that is the big bad for the rest of the season?

      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 2:31 PM

        To be quite honest, I would have liked it more if the president was a human, would have made a bigger impact if she wasn't "biased" being an alien.

      • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 10:01 PM

        yeah I would have preferred that as well. if she is in fact an alien the alien amnesty act might fall apart which would add to the whole humans v. aliens theme going on. unless they go the whole 'J'onn impersonating Hank Henshaw' route with the President, but we saw how that turned out...

        idk I think it would've been so much more interesting if they went 'the president is human' route especially if they had her have someone close to her being an alien (being one of the many reason for getting the alien amnesty act passed)

  • venus_karengOct 24, 2016 at 11:09 PM

    I'll just copy and paste what I posted on tumblr

    This was such a great episode. WAY better than the first 2 imo. There wasn’t as much action or fight scenes but amazing fights scenes does not equal great episode. The effects were spot on though.

    Alex was so extra sassy this week and I loved every single scene she had. From Maggie calling out Alex’s fellow agent not bagging evidence properly and her snapping at the guy to do it right to the “excuse you” when the fire lady alien bumped into her lol. I liked that moment where Alex sees herself surrounded by aliens at the pub and you can see she gets a little scared (this coming right after Kara scolds her for not waiting for her to face an alien as powerful as Supergirl and Superman). Also, I may not ship Alex and Maggie (yet?) but I really like how the relationship is being developed. There’s no rushing, their first meeting was rough but that was Alex being a hard ass “CIA” agent protecting her crime scene while Maggie was being a stubborn detective. I like that Maggie is helping Alex open her mind, from realizing not all aliens are hostile to possibly coming out in the future. Even if they don’t become a romance (which I’m sure they will) I think I’ll enjoy their interactions.

    Kara being overly excited about meeting the president and Alex and J’onn not being able to contain their smile at seeing Kara being such a puppy. Kara learning to write without bias, and also learning that not all aliens are bad (I like that both Kara and Alex had the same lesson this episode). Oh, and Kara doing the wonder woman spin to extinguish the fire on her suit, loved it (as well as the other Wonder Woman nods).

    Kara and Alex are always so cute together, they are always my weakness. I liked Kara snapping at Alex for going in to find Mon El without her, but I also liked Alex’s response “I’d do my job”, Alex has been fighting aliens way before Supergirl was around. That “yes ma’am” though ♥, and I like that Kara is protective of Alex. The simultaneous “are you okay” after the president is attacked. Then of course Alex not leaving Kara to fight the alien on her own, Kara landing next to Alex, and the mutual staring after Kara defeats the alien.
    That was pretty much all there was for them, sadly. Well, there was one moment where I don't know if anyone else noticed but when Kara was super nervous about meeting POTUS she's about to rush over to Alex and it looked like she was gonna grab Alex (possibly hug her or something) and J'onn interrupts her before she gets closer and you can see Alex then kind of hug herself, awww. J'onn why would you interrupt a Kalex hug? Anyway, I think we'll get more Kalex scenes next week.

    J’onn being told to not only protect the planet but to go out and live in it. He goes to the bar and meets “the last daughter of Mars,” I was so psyched with that scene.

    Is the president a good alien or was that a cliffhanger? I hope she is a good alien, it’d be pretty cool if the president in the Supergirl universe is a good alien. I hope she comes back because this needs clarification.

    I’m probably forgetting some stuff, I just loved this entire episode. I want more like this.

    • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 7:08 AM

      Oh yeah, the president, I almost forgot. I wonder if there was a switch between an alien and the real one at some point in the episode, like last season, but I doubt it. How weird/cool would it be that USA president is an alien here? LOL I hope they don't drop this.

    • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 1:49 PM

      I had not noticed that moment so I went back and she was definitely going to walk right into Alex's personal space. For a hug or a pat or a whatever, I don't know, but yeah. Dammit J'onn, let our tactile losers be tactile.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM

        Yeah, I noticed the almost-hug too, buuuh they need to hug NOW, dammit.

    • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:25 AM

      I didn't notice it, but I loved the entire Alex-Kara scenes in this episode. And, I need more of them.

      And I agree; I think this episode was better tied and a better whole... May be, having Superman and Cat threw them off last time. Or may be we have a different writer.

      • woodfaceOct 26, 2016 at 12:30 AM

        Not having Cat means we have a less forced side story for Kara and that is definitely good. I like how much more balanced it already is.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 1:28 AMΔ

        I know a lot of fans and even reviewers complained about Calista and all the jazz, but the showrunners could easily write off the whole CatCo part and nothing major would change. It would only improve imo.

  • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 10:58 PM

    Also, is anyone else worried of a backlash from wlw fandom if Alex turns out to be a lesbian instead of a bisexual? I mean, I myself have never considered either character's sexuality before this season (as far as I am considered Alex is Kara-sexual and Kara bi), and in any case, I don't care much either way (sorry) as long as the woman has relationships with women. But because, ever since that revelation about one character exploring their sexuality this season, a lot of folks in the queer fandom has been calling for bi Alex Danvers (there is even a twitter tag to that effect), I sorta fell in with them.

    And now, I am worried because I am seeing Alex as a lesbian and I think the writers may be leaning that way, and I don't know if the fandom will think it is bi-erasure or something.

    Sigh!

    :(

    • woodfaceOct 31, 2016 at 4:26 AMΔ

      I just roll my eyes at the people who are insisting on bi. Alex is so coded as lesbian. Canon will not change any of that for me. It shouldn't. Even without Alex's story arc, she would still have been a lesbian. Just because someone might have experience with both genders doesn't mean they have to be bi. These things change as we grow, and unless Alex states it outright in the present, you should do what you want.

      Just because canon says one thing, that doesn't mean your headcanons can't be valid. Fandom is too fixed on everything needing to be canon and spelled out for them. Maybe that's because I'm old and lots of my ships were subtext, but this fixation with things only being valid because canon said so is tiring to me. Headcanon what you want and screw anyone else.

      • ApvengOct 31, 2016 at 6:59 AM

        Of course! For me personally, I don't care much about it because I do headcanon her as being only interested in Kara. And, it must be hanging out here (sometimes the group you hang out do affect you), but it is kind of fixed in my mind that she has never been interested in guys at least.

        I just so would hate a twitter storm or fandom backlash on it though. It's kind of hard to ignore the way people talk.

    • floorplan91Oct 31, 2016 at 5:16 AM

      I just don't buy Alex as bi, or in any way interested in men. The way she talked about her douchish exes in college was a clue too, in my opinion. Maybe this is me being "biased" since lesbian!Alex was my very first idea of the character when I met her in the pilot, but I've always thought she was queer coded, in particular as a lesbian. Which would make sense, considering the writers have said they've been wanting this for the character's sexuality since s1, but couldn't do it back then. Here the quote from the panel did a couple of months ago:

      Greg Berlanti said, “We had a character who we had discussed as a possibility last year internally, and it didn’t materialize.” He went on to tell reporters after the panel, “We didn’t get to the story. We just didn’t have enough real estate to deal with it in the way that we wanted to deal with it. So when we were planning this season, we said to the network and the studio that it was a priority for us, and everyone was cool with it.” ^ So it's not a new thing, it's not Alex turning gay out of the blue, it's not pandering, like I've seen some idiotic het people say on various sites. If she turns out to be bi, well I wouldn't be angry, it's still a success and great thing, but to me, she's gay.

      • ApvengOct 31, 2016 at 7:10 AM

        Yep, I have seen it too and I always resist the urge to go and post and post in forums to point out why it is not pandering and such. I did once anyways, and I am not even sure anybody read or gave it a thought so.

        Some folks even say that making Alex lesbian would be cliche because it is turning out that every "badass" women is a cliche and I did write a response to that (as in, where are all these lesbian action women, which is what I think they mean by "badass", I have seen only a couple, and I have around twenty who are straight). Once again, I don't think people actually care or read.

        Some people I have realised have a mythical world within themselves that is not troubled by reality. I find it surprising though that even folks who profess to be gay friendly do not see how painful it is to say such stuff to folks who have been persistently discriminated against (POC, women, LGBT). How can you claim to be a friend but have no empathy? I can empathise with straight people, and even men, why can't they empathise with gay people and women (and trans people and POC and other ethnicities and so on?

        And worst is, almost every post of this kind ends with something like, I hope people don't think I am against seeing gay people on TV or against positive representation because I am not. I just need it to fit into the story and it needs to make thematic sense. I am not a bigot.

        Yep! That is very clear.

        I wish people understood that there needn't be a reason for a person to be gay in a story. People can just be gay like people can just be straight.

  • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 4:32 AMΔ

    I have to say this though; It is a relief to come back to this place after visiting other reviews and comments over the net. :)

    Everywhere else is so steeped in Alex/Maggie and while I am interested in their friendship, I prefer Kalex (may be a thousand times over); and worse, I can't even say that anywhere else. I didn't see one Kalex comment in

    Autostraddle

    (which I visit to see how queer people relate to Supergirl; everywhere else is so het heavy).

    I do understand them of course; I just don't agree with them.

    I just like coming back here and hanging around here. Which is why you see so many comments from me.

    • NovakFanOct 26, 2016 at 8:33 AM

      SAME. I'll always have Kalex feelings so you can count with me on that one.

    • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 8:46 AM

      @Apveng I've seen people commenting on Kara and Alex's fight last episode, in various sites and forums, and how that generated metas and discussions, which is cool. But this time around we didn't get big Kalex scenes, so that may explain why even on typically queer friendly sites, you haven't found anyone commenting on that.

      • ApvengOct 27, 2016 at 12:45 AM

        @floorplan91, True! I know people are very excited about Alex/Maggie. :) So, that combined with very few Kalex moments could make the comment forums be all about Alex/Maggie.

  • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 10:09 PM

    So, I saw this episode again and here are some more thoughts.

    For the record I like Maggie Sawyer. I think she could do interesting things for both the story and Alex and Kara and I am looking forward to how it all plays out; hopefully well.

    So, this is not a Maggie hate comment. (It's more of a I love Alex and see her side comment ;-)).

    Contrary to what seems to be popular internet opinion, in that first Airport confrontation scene, I don't think Alex was overtly rude or started out confrontational. Yes, she did start with the "What the hell are you.." comment. But, she thought Maggie was a civilian and was understandably worried about her contaminating the crime scene. After she showed her ID, Alex was pretty polite her about getting out of the crime scene. Well she even says, "I am sure you mean well, detective..".

    On the other hand, Maggie starts out antagonistically with that line about Feds watching stupid cop shows together and remains like that throughout. She called one of Alex's agents/team members "lackeys". Having watched some of the cop shows, I realise this is how local PD generally react to "Feds" who I suppose they consider overpaid incompetents, at least in TV. So, I guess Maggie was just following cop protocol. But, Alex was fully justified in losing her temper at the end and talking about DEO tech. And being irritated at that evidence-mixing agent.

    Also, at the alien "dive" bar, before Alex realises that these are aliens, her reaction is interesting: she thinks these are people who have made questionable life choices. So, does she think all bars are like this? Is her love for drinking limited to only wine? So many questions.

    Also, she does ask questions first before beating up people. I noticed that this time around. So, I am looking at her use of force as not her being alien-prejudiced. I think Alex doesn't suffer people who show disrespect in the face of direct-threat-to-life gladly. (By the way, this is in no way, a judgement on everyone who loved that scene. I know most people did, and I kinda understand it. My own personal bias somehow sees things differently. It may even be because of prejudice and internalised misogyny. I will be looking into it.)

    See, Alex being an inherently decent and considerate person is important to me. Because, she has been portrayed that way. Remember that time in The Girl Who Has Everything where she chastises J'onn, mildly, for yelling at Vasquez because he was worried about Kara. She was completely torn up about Kara herself and yet, she notices this and takes action. Even in the pilot, when Kara scans that plane for Alex, what she sees is Alex comforting a woman in the plane.

    Alex, in her own way, is just as much of an idealistic hero as Kara.

    Also, little things like that plane scene is what makes me love the writers despite the problems I sometimes have with their story telling.

    • floorplan91Oct 30, 2016 at 10:16 PM

      Just one little thing: Also, at the alien "dive" bar, before Alex realises that these are aliens, her reaction is interesting: she thinks these are people who have made questionable life choices. So, does she think all bars are like this? Is her love for drinking limited to only wine? So many questions. We saw Alex drinking beers too, and in the flashback during college she was drinking various shots, and they are most likely done with hard liquors. I think, if anything, that was Alex almost reproaching her past self choices. I doubt she only drank in fancy clubs.

      • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 11:24 PM

        Ah okay! I forgot that. That makes sense. It must have been a flashback moment for Alex. Thanks.

        @floorplan91, Can I be happy that I learn more about character motivations and people in general when I come here? :) I am not good with people, but, I do get a lot to think about when I am here.

        I so appreciate it.

  • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 3:38 PM

    I didn't think I'd have much to add about this episode, since it was building Alex/Maggie (because I'm tragically incapable of multishipping) but oh my god I want Alex to be happy on the show. I support anything that will make Alex happy or give her a chance of it.

    Give me a flirtatious Maggie constantly making Alex flustered and disrupting the walls she's built around herself. SHOW ME HOW ALEX REACTS TO NON-PLATONIC AFFECTION.

    I want to see how Alex, who's so used to working in the shadows, deals with attention focused on her.

    Does she meet it head on? Shrink from it? Ignore it and pretend to continue with business as usual?

    It makes me wonder what she was like in college. Deleted scenes hint at her pushing Kara away and going at it alone. How lonely did she let herself become? What was her work in bio-engineering?

    I had a thought that maybe Alex exclusively studied alien biology with single-minded determination to learn everything she could JUST IN CASE something happened to Kara. How would they help Kara with their primitive Earth tools? (Alex would know. Her mother would expect her to know. Her father would be proud that she knows.)

    Not only can her peers barely relate to her studies, but the intensity that Alex carries herself with alienates her (funny how that works when her entire life at that point was to keep her sister more human).

    Give me a secretive Alex Danvers protecting her work from curious eyes, lest the information falls into the hands.

    Give me a loyal, lonely Alex Danvers who dated people out of convenience and had no problem walking away from a relationship when it interfered with her work to protect Kara.

    Give me an Alex who isn't sure if she should let herself reciprocate someone else's interest, because her feelings come second to their safety.

    Give me an Alex who is confronted with how much of a damn hero she is in the eyes of a human, one who is in her face and she can't just shrug off.

    Give me an Alex with a friend, at the very least, holy shit. SOMEONE who can be her backup when she tunnel-visions and thinks of nothing but how to eliminate threats to Kara.

    Just give me more of Alex in general. Please. ;-;

    • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:54 PMΔ

      Give me a flirtatious Maggie constantly making Alex flustered and disrupting the walls she's built around herself. I want to see how Alex, who's so used to working in the shadows, deals with attention focused on her.

      YES please. Alex was very confused when aliens were checking her out at the bar, that made me chuckle. Like, Alex is amazing and charming and loyal and brave, but she doesn't see it or cares much for it, so focused as she is at doing her job - always, Kara her first priority.

      Give me a loyal, lonely Alex Danvers who dated people out of convenience and had no problem walking away from a relationship when it interfered with her work to protect Kara. I think this can be read as canon, tbh. When last season Alex mentioned dating douchish geeky guys with god complex in college, I took that as her doing it out of convenience, because Eliza kept asking and all that jazz, not because she was that interested in having a relationship. If now we're going to get gay Alex too, then it'll add an even more interesting spin on things. She didn't feel anything for any of them.

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 8:01 PM

        @floorplan91 Also to further support that Alex wasn't attached to any of the guys she dated in college, she compares Maxwell Lord to them when Kara? gets worried that Alex shared a meal with him. And it's a disgusted, dismissive comment.

        Maybe she's bi or just doesn't care in general, but I'm here for it!!!

        Like I mentioned to you before, the only thing I would hate to see is Alex and Kara's dynamic suffering for the sake of their individual romantic plots. We're already seeing a little of it now with how the tension from their last argument carried over. :/

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 8:09 PMΔ

        And I definitely agree with you, that would suck! The sligthly weirdness and residual tension we saw though were character driven, something that was done on purpose I think, after the previous episode and their fight not quite resolved. At the end of the day, they reassured each other they work better together and are the best versions of themselves that way, but their issues didn't magically went away. They need more serious talks, put your grownup panties on girls! I hope they won't get separated and that everything is addressed sooner than later. Already cringing at the future scenes with Mon-El, lol sorry not sorry. I miss their quiet scenes at Kara's apartment.

        Buuuut let's remember what Melissa said in one recent interview: Kara and Alex will grow and get even closer this season, so I'm hopeful all of this isn't in vain.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 8:11 PM

        Oh god @theriacs that's right, she was comparing them to trashwell lord, lol this is bad! She might have felt repulsed by her ex and yet dated them? Hm I wonder if the DEO offers free therapy for their agents....

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 11:18 PM

        Is it bad that I really don't want Alex to be bi? I just don't see it. She's lesbian. Now Kara? Absolutely.

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 11:56 PM

        @woodface I literally have no objections to that. B)

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 1:32 AM

        Not bad @woodface, she's 100% lez :p

    • NovakFanOct 25, 2016 at 7:50 PM

      Just give me more of Alex in general: YES, ALWAYS.

      Honestly I'm with you. For the life of me I can't multiship either (apologies if I keep repeating myself to some of you xD) but that doesn't stop me from liking the Maggie x Alex dynamic and everything that brings to the table for Alex. Romantic or not.

      I love that this episode had so much Alex in general, that she had all those awesome scenes that showed (again) how capable she is of keeping that part of the show interesting. Bc sometimes she gets underrated by media (lbh all those first synopsis focused in certain other someone pfff) This is Supergirl show yes, but Alex is and should be the one always right next to her in her journey.

      • theriacsOct 25, 2016 at 8:04 PM

        @NovakFan It's a rough life when you can't multiship and your OTP isn't one of the most popular pairings. ;-;

        This episode was so great for Alex. They should be making action figures of her.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 8:18 PM

        Honestly Chyler wants Alex toys and action figures almost more than us fans 😂 let's do it, Funko or something.

      • venus_karengOct 25, 2016 at 10:06 PMΔ

        They should write her into the comics AND make Alex action figures. There are so many ideas like scientist Alex, Kryptnite sword Alex, exo-suite Alex, regular Agent Danvers, FBI Agent Danvers, etc.

        @floorplan91 yes Lol, Chyler has been asking for her own action figure since before season 1 premiered. There is a S1 Comic Con interview where she said she wanted an Alex action figure haha. She deserves it.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 11:00 PM

        I need Kara and Alex funkos.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:22 AM

        Same, I would definitely buy those funko. I don't see why they can't make an Alex one too. I'm hopeful they'll create a Supergirl series, like for other CW shows. IIRC for now there's only a Supergirl funkopop for the generic DC heroes series.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:24 AMΔ

        Yes @venus_kareng . Ugh, you know I'm still a tad bitter they didn't think of including Alex in the new Supergirl rebirthing comic.

      • woodfaceOct 26, 2016 at 12:27 AM

        So much. Huge mistake. Bah. (I might be working on a new 52 shaken and stirred with the show.)

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:37 AM

        You know what pissed me off is that they were clearly inspired from the show, "stole" from it, included the Danvers and dammit even if Kara is a teen here they wrote Cat in, so there was no reason not to include Alex too.

        (Yaaas gimme, I approve!)

      • woodfaceOct 26, 2016 at 12:40 AM

        Exactly. The Danvers but no Alex? Come the fuck on. Hence I haven't touched it yet.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 1:04 AM

        And not just the Danvers, but called Eliza and Jeremiah, so definitely inspired by the show version of them. How odd. It's not like she'd be a forced presence or character to include. I haven't read it yet either, but the fact they managed to have teen Kara doing an internship at CatCo made me bitter.

      • NovakFanOct 26, 2016 at 8:16 AM

        @theriacs Uff tell me about it, I have been there too many times to count so of course it had to happen here too. Of course

        Also they totally should. An Alex Danvers action figure with options to chose: an exo suit or a motorcycle. Fan collectors, Alex in tac gear and a bazuka :3

  • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:04 AMΔ

    Part II: Alex:

    Note: Next time, ask the bar tender. It always works. The cop shows and books say so.

    I found her use of force with that alien, the arm-twisting tactics, problematic. She has done it with Maxwell Lord before but on both those times, she was under high duress (Kara was in danger).

    I am not sure it was justified here. I get that she has been trained to look at all aliens except 3 as threats and react accordingly; and that she is asked to think like a soldier and not a law enforcement official who should take care of other folks' rights (and these aliens don't have any rights), but still...

    I guess, being less than nice about the much-respected president whose life is under threat and threat to life for Maggi Sawyer counts as extreme duress?

    I don't know... I would feel better if I thought that the writers hadn't tacked it on because they think what Alex did was badass: the cop shows, many of them, have this problem. They think using violence is being tough.

    May be not; after all, there is Maxwell Lord. Alex lives in the grey area of the moral spectrum where she is willing to do anything to save those she counts her own or responsible for (inclusive of Madam President and Det. Sawyer; not because of her own bit but because I think she counts as part of the same team now for Alex). And she is not willing to give latitude to people who she counts as morally depraved or degenerates (this guy does fall under that).

    The weird thing is that I know, this is problematic behaviour, and I still love her. And I'd continue to love her. I just hope she gets some learning from Kara and friendly Aliens and Alien-loving humans. Oh and that she gets send to an anger-management session; that would be fun.

    Alex and Maggie: I like the friendship, and I'd love for them to be good friends or even best friends; they make a good team.

    But, a romantic storyline.... I'd rather Alex and Kara remained each other's primary focus (with friends to support them of course); so even in Canon, I hope for that... I think it is quite clear that they are going to proceed with it, so.... I do hope they don't do damage to the characters while they are at it. (I am not sure of romantic storylines in any show; het or same sex).

    In fanon, after much soul searching, I have realised that no matter how much open minded I want to be, and supportive all those people and their other ships, I ship Alex and Kara. And I want them to be end game (and through out game, if there is such a thing).

    Besides, as someone in another show very famously said about another pair: Alex and Maggie are yin and yin; Alex need's yang to her yin. Specifically, she needs Kara's Yang. :)

    Oh and favorite scene and line (paraphrased): "No! I was going to say, you should have called me, Dummy!".

    PS: By the way, I hope Kara now knows that even if she moves to Metropolis, Alex would still be under threat!

    Oh, I forgot! Alex drives a bike!!! That is...while I hate too much usage of superlatives...I think that is awesome.

    I think both Alex and Kara have bikes and Kara and Lucy used those last season to save Alex and J'onn.

    I hope there would be a scene where the two go riding together. For whatever reason.

    • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:17 AM

      Oh, and this episode convinced me that even in canon, Alex is a lesbian not a bi. (May be, Kara is a bi.) And I think whatever the EPs hinted about...a character exploring their sexuality; it would be more, revealing their sexuality. Because Alex seems pretty comfortable.

      I was sad when I saw Alex's face fall when Maggie said she had a hot date. I am seeing it as Alex being desperately lonely except for J'onn and Kara, and needing some friends to hang out with. But, even if they are going where they are clearly going... Well, I think I have said it often enough struggles to keep the fingers from typing.

      I hope, hope that they don't ruin it by saying Kara didn't know. It's canon in my mind that Kara knows.

      Oh and I look forward to the time when Maggie asks Alex about Supergirl and about Kara; may be separately. :)

      • venus_karengOct 26, 2016 at 1:18 AM

        I agree about Maggie and Alex being yin and yin (though they do have good chemistry). They are essentially the same person, with a few differences here and there which is why in my latest post I speculated about the possibility of Maggie being a "guide" for Alex. Kara and Alex really complement each other in a way that I don't think any other character does for them, and I think, and hope, this season we are going to see them switch up the roles they were used to being in last season (in regards to each other). It might be why we have seen them more at odds and they seem more distant (have not had an official hug, haven't even said "I love you" once).

        Maggie must wonder what Supergirl is to Alex Danvers. They are always together, they worry about each other a lot, etc. I'll be disappointed if they don't make any type of reference or if they quickly trust Maggie with the secret of who Supergirl is.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 4:07 AM

        @venus_kareng like we said various times, people do notice. Both Astra and Maxwell wondered about the nature of their relationship, we had precise lines about them saying things like "oh I knew there was more about you two", cause for how friendly Supergirl is, the way she is with that one agent speaks of personal care and easiness, of long trust and love. The way Agent Danvers is so protective of Supergirl is not a common thing. Maggie is gay, lol please let her be curious about Alex' closeness to the city hero.

      • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 4:19 AM

        Yep, I hope they don't make Alex share it with Maggie herself... I hope whenever it happens, it is Kara who does it with Alex trying to protect her the whole while.

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      • ApvengOct 27, 2016 at 12:39 AMΔ

        @Superpuppy, I see your point. In other forums, there are folks who still think that it was just a random day for Alex and there was no "care for Maggie" in there. And others who say, you should not make all "badass" women gay because that sends the "wrong" message.

        But I do wish all cop shows and such including the "het" ones stop using this trope. In fact, even in mainstream boards, there was little discussion about it, which kind of makes it clear nobody takes it seriously. It is not good, and I hope media moves away from that (well, one can hope). (In India, by the way, it is considered part of the job, so it is not even romantic or strong friendship.)

        And I sometimes find it strange (and this is not directed at you, but other forums) that queer people say it is violence when they see it on straight cops, but don't say the same when it is a queer woman doing it for her girlfriend or friend. Or, say, you see a straight foster sibling romantic relationship like in "Fosters" and people cry foul but, they have not the same issue in shipping foster siblings when both are girls or female-identified (like in Fosters itself or which was the show with those two best friends, oh, yeah, "Faking It").

        I think straight people do the same thing the other way around (at least, where foster siblings are concerned). And everybody but us few does it with Kalex.

        I do not intent any disrespect by that... Or, intent to suggest that I am not gay or do not identify with the community myself. Or, accuse you or any gay person of anything.

        But, I find it difficult to reconcile having one set of rules for the real world and then dropping them when you create TV/stories.

        On the other hand, my mother always says that nobody would ever read or watch anything that I create because I bring my politics and ideals into everything and want my people to be perfect. So, I do know a lot of it (may be most) is me not understanding stuff and my inability to understand how human emotions work.

        Emotions are messy and confusing. :(

        PS (again, I am a big fan of post scripts :)): This is kind of my first time extensively interacting with people in online communities or even with gay women anywhere (I don't know any but a couple I have met online in the past few months; well other than myself, but I don't think talking to myself or knowing myself counts ;-D). So, I know, I may be making mistakes.

        Also, it is quite possible that we may be from different cultures, and that could cause me to make mistakes too.

        My intent is not to hurt anyone and if you feel I am causing hurt, please let me know; and I will try to correct. I will stop repeating myself from now on (because it gets to be boring ;-)) and hope that if any of you feel offended at any time, you will tell me.

        And @woodface, if you think this kind of discussion is not right in this community, (because it is a Kalex community) please let me know.

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      • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 8:13 AM

        Okay. @Superpuppy, The Indian culture is not much different as far as violence, sexuality etc. are concerned. Except that we are still quite a way behind in some aspects (for example, most of TV is dedicated to women who stay at home and have in-law troubles, so I don't watch Indian TV much). Even in movies, unless they are meant to be women-centric, women are love interests, although in the interest of going with the young people of today, women do work and go to bar and so on (and even have sex).

        No, lesbians are not much talked about in the media at all. You would think only straight people exist (and that women are mostly asexual except that they love their husbands.)

        And I do understand the victim dynamic. (And I have wished for years for cop stories centred on women, so yeah I get that. And as I said, in India, police violence, if it is good police, is not considered a crime, so we have lots of movies where men go about doing that.)

        When I was reviewing, I was not thinking of those things though. I just wished Alex didn't use violence. I am not against violence per se, just violence when it seems unwarranted and especially, in this case, aliens (who are in the minority and at a disadvantage in the planet). I kind of liked the Maxwell Lord scenes, I was cheering for her there; but here... (After the review, when I read others' perspectives, I was a bit surprised. But, your explanation made me understand that. Thank you for that.)

        Oh and it is quite admirable that even being surrounded by aliens, Alex had no issue doing what she did. So, if you look at it that way, her reacting so even in extreme danger is rather great. :)

        Also: in those forums I visited; there was also this straight woman who said that Alex was most certainly a lesbian and explaining the Alex-Maggie thing to straight dudes who didn't see it at all. So, I guess there are may be cis-het people who see the point. But most do not; and I have never sensed that as much as this time around when I visited the forums. It is a very different world out there. :(

        I am really sorry that this is the way it is in US. And, I do hope you guys get more shows with queers too (diverse amount of queers so that people can find someone to relate to at least to some extent). It looks like a long journey though. May be more queer people behind the scenes will help.

        Thanks for taking the time out to reply.

  • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 8:36 AM

    I'd like to see some Alex-Lena and Maggie-Kara interaction in the next few episodes; just to see how they react to each other (and Kara and Alex react to them reacting). I hope they are not too compartmentalised like in S1.

    For example, we never got an Alex-Cat scene and I would have loved Alex doing something like what she did with Senator Crane (when she was bashing J'onn and Kara and Alex came and pocked her; I don't know how the pocking actually worked though; her being white Martian and all).

    I love that scene because it sort of has that feel: the three of them against the world.

    • floorplan91Oct 28, 2016 at 1:03 PM

      @Apveng OMG yes, I've been waiting for an Alex/Cat scene since s1, just to see Alex wipes her superior smirk and tells her off for treating Kara like garbage. Alex is not easily intimidated, so it would have been fun.

      • woodfaceOct 29, 2016 at 3:41 AM

        See, there's a reason I call Cat jawache and it's because Alex has to grind her teeth together to keep from criticising Cat. Alex has no desire to meet her because she'd have to bite her tongue and she would still fail to be nice. She can't do that to Kara. Kara loves her job and reflects Cat. Alex might think that Kara is insane for it, but she won't destroy Kara's career and she won't be anything but supportive, even if she disagrees. I kinda like that she respected that.

  • ApvengOct 31, 2016 at 12:04 AM

    Oh, just two more things and I am done! (Is there an upper limit to the number of comments you can post in a thread?).

    Did you all notice how much on edge Alex was when the President was signing (or trying to anyways) the Alien Amnesty Act? Kara was her President fangirl self, and her whole attention was on what the President was saying and Maggie too was paying attention to the speech in a non-fangirling interested sorta person way. Alex, however, was constantly checking the surroundings (and clapping when other clapped ;-)). No wonder she was the first one confronting the fiery Alien.

    Also, why didn't her bullets work? Are all aliens bullet proof? These pistols seem to have been pretty useless so far. Why in the world do they carry them?

    And as an aside, I loved that scene where Kara talks to that young girl holding the placard. :) She talks to her like an equal and is so funny and lovable rambling about her nervousness.

  • NovakFanOct 25, 2016 at 3:00 PM

    Ok so you guys covered basically everything and I pretty much I agree with all. So short ish comment.

    I think that Mon-El was the only thing that I really didn't care about on this episode. Like seriously, they have one of the most charismatic female leads I have seem in a while and they give her that . James was ruined by the writing yes but at least he didn't (doesn't?) give that very boring vibe. And he's better to look at if we're going there.

    Also, KALEX. There was not enough Kalex if you ask me, the moments they had were nice but still I'm greedy, so I'm trying to remember what they said about they getting closer this season and all that jazz so I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt for now. That's being said, I loved that moment when they were all " Are you ok?" at the same time lol It was cute and it just show how much in sync they are. Also Kara fangirling over the president was the best and the way Alex looked at her, so endering and amused got me flailing a bit. Even J'onn was like that though probably that was a bit of David right there too. On that scene I noticed as well what @venus_kareng mentioned, Alex sort of hugging herself while Kara was gushing, though I didn't notice J'onn getting on the middle. Cockblocking isn't cool J'onn. But anyway, I thought that she wanted to reach out and hug Kara so still nice.

    Honorable mention to Alex Danvers' EVERYTHING. Tbh I might have been too busy drooling over her to notice anything else so forgive me. Also HER VEHICLE OF CHOICE TO TRAVEL IT'S A MOTHERFUCKING DUCATI BYE. I'm not over that and never will be. Thank you all.

    • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 3:09 PM

      Alex never quite knows how to handle Kara gushing over other women. She can be the perfect wing woman when it comes to blokes, but women? When Kara shows she's very much bi? It makes a part of Alex panic because she never thought she could get Kara's attention like that.

      • NovakFanOct 25, 2016 at 8:09 PM

        The image of Alex not knowing what to do with herself the moment she gets Kara's attention that way, it's too damn precious. The badass agent flushing and stuttering and then mentally admonishing herself because, why is she this nervous. It's just Kara. But lol that's the thing. It's Kara.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 8:30 PMΔ

        I think what @woodface meant was much angstier haha, how it's somewhat easy to put a brave face on and encourage Kara to have a normal life, help her on the various blind dates and be supportive when she talks about guys. It's to be expected and even Eliza asks Alex about Kara's dating life. Alex got used to it, she wears the protective bigger sister role as a second skin. But girls? Kara gushing about pretty women and how she'd date them, how affected and flustered she is when she has to interact with charming smart ladies. That... that absolutely kills Alex, and she never knows what to say in these situations. Be supportive as usual? Dismiss it as a Kara's thing? Take her seriously? Kara has never had much luck when it came to romance but Alex would have known if she was going on a date with a girl. So Alex is confused and disappointed when Kara oh so casually tells her Lucy is gorgeous or just comments on other women. It brings out the most insecure part out of Alex. Her not feeling enough issue, because IF Kara is willing to date and notices girls, then it means the problem is Alex.

        See, it's one thing to long for some scenario that can never happen, it's another to realize the sole reason it hasn't happened it's because of you.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 10:48 PM

        If Kara ever gushes at Alex over Alex, Alex would spontaneously combust because how the hell does she handle that? Alex does not know how to take a compliment.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 11:12 PM

        Ugh. I replied to this but I think it got eaten. Anyway, that is what I meant yeah.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:01 AM

        What you meant was the angsty version right? Now I need a story where Alex can't stand it anymore and just grab Kara from her shoulders and kiss some hints into her... 😇

        Sometimes Kara can be so oblivious.

      • woodfaceOct 26, 2016 at 12:07 AM

        Kara is painfully oblivious to people liking her and sadly Alex is painfully selfless and suffering from low self esteem so she'd have to be mildly drunk to kiss Kara senseless as a hint.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:16 AMΔ

        Yeah, and where Kara is oblivious, Alex is more than aware of people falling left and right for that sunny charm. So basically what a nice combo lol, silly puppies will be the death of us.

      • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 3:57 AM

        I think I did notice a bit of jealousy or conflicted feelings in Alex when Kara "fawns" over wonder president.

        I think even if in canon, Alex is not romantically interested in Kara, the fact that Kara gushes over others so much but never her is understandably painful.

        I don't think it is because Kara doesn't realise Alex is gush-worthy; I think it is more because Alex is Kara's person, while these others are not. But, Alex doesn't realise that.

      • ApvengOct 27, 2016 at 12:46 AM

        @floorplan91, That is a nice smiley, by the way! :) I have to find out how to add them.

      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 2:40 PM

        I was on my samsung phone when I typed that.

      • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 8:32 AM

        Okay, I don't have one; but may be there is an Imzy way. I will research and find out. :)

  • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 10:21 PM

    In other notes: I found J'onn's comment to M'gann "I can change if you want..." heartbreaking. He is so used to being judged for his looks, he accepts it as routine. I hope that Kara and Alex drum it out of him. It looks difficult though. I don't think Kara fully appreciates his position on Aliens, and I think Alex agrees with his position too much to tell him not to do this to himself.

    (The above was another scene where I think the writers delivered wonderfully.)

    Also, you guys, I noticed that scene at the beginning where Kara was walking into Alex's personal space. And it does look like she was walking right into Alex. But, did you all notice how Alex's face lifts up when J'onn gives that "she is lucky to meet you" dad pep talk to Kara? Okay, we don't see it after that talk, but when J'onn starts talking and you get the drift from the beginning where he is going to go, Alex's face lifts up. I think in her book, as in J'onn's, the President is lucky to meet Supergirl. :)

    It also lifts up and softens when Kara says she is going for her very first interview as a reporter and then turns to exasperation when she asks Alex to let her know if the President gives another of her quotable quotes. ;-D

    And, I am in the minority, but I love Kara's Cat Co scenes. In those scenes, we see her supporting James (despite having so much on her plate already), and her being cocky (understandably)... and well, I think Kara steals those scenes.

  • immoOct 28, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Geez, what can I say. I'm just pretty much on board for this whole season. There are things that I nitpick but I think that's just me.

    I have to say, with news of the Guardian and Mon-El on the scene, I... just couldn't care less. I wish there would be less new characters, or less focus on the guys and more on just a core woman-focused show.

    • woodfaceOct 28, 2016 at 11:53 AM

      I don't think it's just you. ;o)

      I'm 100% with you on the boys. I think we should trade Snapper, Mon-El and Winn in for Lucy, Vasquez and Astra. Can we do that?

      • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 12:00 PMΔ

        See, I actually kinda like Snapper, if only because he's forcing the SuperCat shippers to confront the fact that Cat's behaviour is objectively awful and they would never tolerate it in a male character.

        I'll also say, it seems to me a distinct possibility that they're making James into the Guardian so they can jettison CatCo entirely; with Cat gone and Winn at the DEO, James is the only thing still tying the show to CatCo. If James starts showing up outside of CatCo...

        Still, I hear you on Lucy and Vasquez.

      • woodfaceOct 28, 2016 at 12:03 PM

        Putting my admin hat on for a second, but can you please edit the post and put the James thing behind a spoiler tag? Thanks!

        Other than that, I definitely wouldn't mind that. CatCo has always been a distraction to me, even in S1 and then there were useful moments. Now...

      • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 12:29 PM

        Sorry! Computers and I don't get along very well; as you may have seen, it took me several tries to figure out how to get it hidden. But it's done now!

      • woodfaceOct 28, 2016 at 12:40 PM

        No worries! Thank you!

      • floorplan91Oct 28, 2016 at 2:35 PM

        @AuthorUnknown Supercat fans realizing AND admitting the abusive things Cat did? Really? This would be a surprising news, where can I read any of this? I'm honestly curious, 'cause the majority of that fandom loves to gloss over Cat issues.

      • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 3:10 PM

        I didn't say they admitted it yet, but it's making it harder for them to maintain the necessary cognitive dissonance. I know I've seen them go off on him for being such a terrible boss; one assumes that on some level they must be aware of the hypocrisy of it.

      • floorplan91Oct 28, 2016 at 3:37 PM

        Pfff, I would like to hope so, would be a first :p I've seen a couple of post where the two were compared and Cat defended as the better boss.

      • venus_karengOct 28, 2016 at 4:35 PM

        I don't think they will ever admit or even realize this.

        Kara "worshiped" Cat, Cat was a character that no matter how bitchy and rude she was was always painted as a woman with a hard exterior but with a heart of gold that she hid because she suffered "so" much. Kara cared about her and "needed" her. Meanwhile Snapper behaves like a jerk and is seen and treated as such by all the other characters, including Kara who supposedly sees the good in everyone. It doesn't matter that Snapper may express some good points, or that what he says is true because, as I said, the way he behaves and the way everyone else sees him paints him in a simple light, he is a mean guy. Maybe they'll change that later. It's not just fans that have a double standard here, it's the writers.

      • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 10:47 PMΔ

        I agree with you; I think the behind the scenes team themselves have lifted up Cat. And a bit of it is I think hero-worship for Calista Flockhart, which I think I can understand. Or, may be it is that they are a bit confused about how to portray their feminism.

      • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 11:54 PM

        I like Winn as a friend. But, I hope Vasquez is coming back (there is always rumours); and while I know Lucy is almost impossible (since Jenna Dewan Tatum said no), I cannot help wishing for Lucy to come back too.

        Astra, I am not sure. The story doesn't seem to have an opening for that. May be in flashbacks?

      • floorplan91Oct 29, 2016 at 12:41 PM

        @venus_kareng @Apveng I agree with you two. I've always had a feeling they did that because of Calista being a household name, so to speak.

      • AuthorUnknownOct 29, 2016 at 8:02 PM

        Glad I'm not the only one who likes Winn; he doesn't seem to be very popular.

      • immoOct 30, 2016 at 12:37 AM

        Seriously I could never get into the supercat ship because of the nature of their relationship and how horrible cat was to kara sometimes. I've had my share of horrible bosses and I'm of the opinion that there is something wrong with you if your staff don't last long because you hurl so much abuse at them that they say fuck it and walk away.

        They say cat's mentoring kara but that's not how you mentor. It's frustrating because it's sort of like looking at people who think abusive relationships are soooooo romantic.

      • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 11:02 PM

        Ah! I am glad too! That you are there @AuthorUnknown ! :)

      • ApvengOct 30, 2016 at 11:16 PMΔ

        @immo, I was there in that fandom for two minutes, and then, I got out after reading one fanfic because Cat was horrible there. She was abusive to Alex (Alex!) with her trademark not calling someone by their right name and of course to Winn. I don't think Kara would ever, ever stand for it. See how she reacted to Snapper dealing with James. (Also, I wish there was a Alex-Cat scene where Kara blows up because Cat disrespects Alex.)

        But, I think on screen, it is difficult for a lot of folks to understand because of Calista Flockhart. Except in some scenes where she comes across as very abusive*, I think a lot of people see her as funny and sassy. And, I think if it was someone other than Calista, the reaction would have been different.

        *(when she shouts at Kara for not prepping her for Adam, and for Adam going away, or when she calls Winn Wit (?))

        @floorplan91, @venus_kareng, I think in Supercat**, the fandom is in love with Calista because she is sexy and sassy and a beautiful actress and thus, they ignore the very problematic dynamics of a relationship such as Kara-Cat's.

        **Much much more than in Kalex, although I know this is a common enough criticism directed at Kalex. I mean, I have read people saying we love Kalex because we have two beautiful actresses at the centre of it. I do take offense at that as much for Calista's sake (she is beautiful) as for the aspersions directed at us. And really, that sounds more ageist.

        <Rant over>
  • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    raises hand timidly Am I the only one who didn't much care for this episode? I suppose most of my problems with it have already been brought up, so I don't have much to add to the discussion. Primarily I'd say I'm threatened by Maggie's existence and the obviousness with which the writers are setting her up as a love interest for Alex. I'm somewhat reassured by this discussion that I'm not the only one tragically incapable of multishipping, but I remain wary that a lot of fanfic authors might desert Kara/Alex in favour of Alex/Maggie if and when the latter becomes canon. I suppose that's more a meta consideration than a problem with episode itself, though. I'm also, as with all of you, distinctly disappointed by the scarcity of Kara/Alex moments, but in an episode as packed as this one, it isn't terribly surprising.

    The episode attempted to give us an aesop about prejudice and xenophobia, but it rings hollow to me. It's easy to see where they got the idea, what with the circus that is the American election, but the comic-book fear of aliens or mutants has honestly never been a very good metaphor for racism or homophobia. For one thing, so far as I know, neither black persons nor gay persons (nor even gay black persons) are capable of shooting lasers out of their eyes. I'm going to be afraid of my Kryptonian neighbour for the same reason I would be afraid of my human neighbour who owns a rocket launcher: not because I fear what he or she might do on purpose, but because I fear what he or she might do on accident. That's why Lena's alien-detector will sell so well; not because humans are bastards (although they generally are), but because humans are (or at least can be) sensible. And that's without even touching the fact that, in marked contrast to human immigrants, most aliens are probably genuinely hostile (I can explain my reasoning further if anyone is interested, but it would take some time).

    Suffice it to say, I side with Hank and Alex on the President's edict (parenthetically, I'm calling bullshit on the idea that someone managed to get such a bill through an American congress without the use of mind-control). I also have a distinct allergy to rhetorical flourishes that sound good but don't actually mean anything, such as the President's little epigram, 'It's hope; how can it be false'? It may well be a 'legit quote', but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's total nonsense.

    • woodfaceOct 28, 2016 at 10:32 AM

      Sadly enough, the writers can be rather hamfisted when they want to get a point across. I have many issues with their writing or how they're bringing things, but I can't help but enjoy the characters. However flawed the episode was, there were really nice touches and the idea is fine. I just wish they'd take more care of the details and would take time to work storylines out instead of constantly cramming an episode full with all the things.

      So I can definitely understand that you might not be as pleased with some of the things that happened. I'm not terribly fond of the focus shift in the show (but they haven't done too badly so far), but the one in fandom... Yeah, that's always rough to deal with esp when you get an influx of people who are here for the one queer ship and nothing else. Which makes having this little island to chat all the more important to me.

      • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 11:43 AM

        Well, I'm glad to have found it. Thank you for creating it.

    • floorplan91Oct 28, 2016 at 2:12 PMΔ

      but I remain wary that a lot of fanfic authors might desert Kara/Alex in favour of Alex/Maggie if and when the latter becomes canon.

      @AuthorUnknown I actually got a review about this on my last fanfiction, a lot of people are worried I think... but personally, while I'm happy to have canon gay Alex and I'm willing to ship her with Maggie, the way Kara-Alex are written, the depth and layers and care, nothing can ever compare. They are the heart of the show, everyone knows it, cast included :) I'm not worried about that, nothing can replace what they have, I just hope the writers find their footing soon with all these new characters and storylines. I do agree that they are packing lots of info and arcs in those 45 minutes, so I'm curious to see if we'll get another quiet movie night, rather than all this plot-driven scenes. Fandom-wise, it's understandable that at the moment people are more excited at the promise of gay ladies kissing, we are also getting a new influx of fans, but things will quiet down I think. Despite a lack of Kalex scenes lately, I doubt the fandom will die. I know I won't stop writing them, as long as the show keeps remind us that they are each other most important person.

      • AuthorUnknownOct 28, 2016 at 3:07 PM

        It is reassuring to see everyone here remaining steadfast, I'll say that. And I, too, will continue writing for them, so there's at least two of us.

      • NovakFanOct 28, 2016 at 10:51 PM

        Don't worry, if @floorplan91 ever thinks about on leaving the ship in favour of other I'll go and drag her back to the kalex rubbish bin myself. Not that she will ever though but I wish it to be noted just in case xD

      • floorplan91Oct 29, 2016 at 12:38 PM

        HAHAHAH @NovakFan no violence, I wrote you a fanfiction :P
        Also I would never, Kalex owns my soul. No worries!

    • venus_karengOct 28, 2016 at 4:26 PM

      This alien amnesty arc, while I liked it, should have been a season long plot instead of introduced and resolved in one episode. Seeing it be build up slowly with the final resolution being the President arriving to sign the bill.

      As of now, I don't feel threatened by Maggie (writing wise, fandom wise I'm a bit wary that all people will talk about is Alex/Maggie and ignore Kara/Alex since they are not a romance. I hope @floorplan91 is right and fans settle down once the novelty is over) but if in the episodes following we see her pushed into unnecessary scenes and constantly "teaching" or showing Alex things she and the DEO should already know then I will not like it. Especially if the writers start writing scenes between them and taking away moments that should be between Kara and Alex. But at the moment I am not worried because these writers are very aware since season 1 that the relationship between Kara and Alex (and J'onn) is the reason the majority of the audience tunes in for.

    • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 10:56 PM

      I am with you on the fandom thing. :)

      On the writing part, yes, I think the writers are prone to go for how good it looks on paper or how poetic it may sound rather than fleshing something out into a long arc that could explore each issue properly. Sometimes, I think they go for symmetry rather than what works for the story: for example, the Mon El, Maggie and M'gann thing. It was evidently for the sake of symmetry and I think a slower pace would have worked much better.

      And yet, there are times when much good comes through. Like the J'onn and Superman argument in E1 and E2, which unfortunately J'onn lost (probably to please Superman fans, because I was on J'onn's side). Or, in S1, when J'onn argues with Kara about how many people are wary of superhumans with god like powers.

      I love the characters, so I will stick with the show but I do wish writing improves.

  • venus_karengOct 26, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    I just had a thought.

    We are all worried that they will push Kara into another (4th in 2 seasons) romance with Mon El, but if he will become a version of Superboy (I've seen several people speculating that) and in the same episode they introduced Miss Martian...what if they will end up paired romantically? In the cartoon (Young Justice I think) they were a couple. I hope they do this instead of Kara/Mon El.

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      • venus_karengOct 26, 2016 at 11:56 PM

        If she's a White Martian why did she show herself to J'onn as a green Martian? She's also green in the cartoon (I haven't watched much of the show though). If she's a white martian then she is more interesting than I thought.

        Oh no, I would not want M'gann's, or anybodies, arc to be about a romance, but it could be a subplot. Although, they'd have to meet first, I'm sure the writers could easily make them meet if they wanted to.

        By the way, I am finding so many little hidden Kalex moments on my second watch of the episode.

      • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 3:20 AM

        I think M'gann purposely transformed/presented herself as a Green Martian because (at least what I remember of the Young Justice canon) she was ashamed of being a White Martian or she thought she was a monster, but don't take my word for it lol my memory's absolute shit

        but other than that I am SUPER FRIGGIN EXCITED for the M'gann storyline and how that's gonna tie in with J'onn!! I so want to see more of J'onn living and connecting with someone from Mars

  • venus_karengOct 25, 2016 at 9:59 PMΔ

    Okay, going through everyone's comments I have gathered some new thoughts (man was it a lot, I was the first to post and I come back to 41 new comments, each like a page long. I love this site XD)

    Can we talk about how many aliens either hit on Alex or checked her out the moment she entered the bar? I loved that. Alex is an alien magnet or as @floorplan91 said it, these aliens are all "alexsexual" lol. It goes back all the way to Astra with her "I like you" and one could even argue Indigo with how she stroked Alex's hair very lightly XD And you mean to tell me Kara never felt anything like that for Alex, huh writers? I'm don't believe you. Just go rewatch baby Kara's face when she first spots Alex at her window ♥

    Further analyzing Maggie and Alex and that potential relationship that is developing got me thinking about what tptb said about the character coming out this season. When they first announced that a character in either Flash or Supergirl would be coming out they mentioned that this was a story they had wanted to explore in season one but that they ran out of time and they decided to postpone it because they wanted to give it the attention it deserved. The way they have spoken about it makes it seem like this arc is more about the character than an actual ship. Perhaps there will be a romantic relationship for this character (which after last nights episode is pretty much confirmed is Alex) but from what I've read the producers say it doesn't seem like the relationship is the actual focus of the arc, it's definitely more of a character arc. We've also had Sarah Schecter saying she is proud of Alex's arc this season, again stressing it is her arc, doesn't feel like it's about a romance but more a personal journey. What are the chances of Maggie being here only to help Alex come out? As like a bit of a guide, maybe dating and such but not a full blown romance, you know what I mean? In this episode we saw Kara, Alex and J'onn (the SuperFamily, the heart of the show) all meet their own "equals" who will help them accomplish what they haven't been able to in the past. Kara with Mon El now has someone like her, someone who can fill the void Clark left, but he also gives her the chance to fulfill the role she was meant to have with baby Kal-El (I wish Mon El had been a child instead of an adult). J'onn met another survivor from Mars, he will finally be able to connect with someone from his home planet and possible be able to learn to accept himself and not hide who he really is from the world. And then we have Alex who met Maggie who is almost exactly like her; human, a cop, pro alien, bad ass, all black wearing and leather loving lady, and also rides a motorcycle. There is one difference and that is Maggie accepts her sexuality and is very open with it while Alex isn't. I know on tumblr and twitter the fandom is freaking out over Alex and Maggie and are mainly focusing on the ship aspect but what if that isn't the actual point of this arc? Crazy idea? What do you guys think?

    In this episode we saw Alex talking forensic science a burn patterns, etc. It made me SO happy. I want more of this, and less of Winn taking over on the scientific front. Let him focus on IT stuff, that is his field. Alex is the scientist. (Alex going all Dr. Danvers when she started talking about how she read that alien could form telepathic connections with her tongue was really cute).

    I have been reading around in different places and I have found several people (Kalex fans but not shippers) commenting on how Kara and Alex's relationship seems to be "colder" this season. That they seem more distant than in season 1 and I find it interesting that even non shippers have noticed this. Could this be something the writers are doing on purpose? If it is I would like for them to address it more directly because as it is now it's not quite obvious if it's on purpose or if it's just a result of all the new characters being introduced at the moment. Although I personally didn't sense any tension between them other than that moment where Kara was sort of angry with Alex for going alone to find Mon El, which I loved because they are pointing out what we have been saying all along about how Alex can be so reckless in her need to prove herself/protect Kara.

    Someone here (I think it was @NovakFan and @woodface) pointed out how Alex shouldn't have needed to be taught that not all aliens are bad (I also read it in a review by i09 I think) and to be honest that complete flew past me. I remember know episode 1x14 which had that nice alien professor. But perhaps Alex's line about being able to count all the aliens she can trust with 2 fingers to spare was meant to address this point. Apart from Kara, who was raised by her parents, and J'onn Alex has mostly met hostile aliens. I was surprised with Kara though since she is the most compassionate and understanding of the group but then she showed that she is a true kryptonian by letting her prejudice against Daxamites come through.

    • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 11:26 PM

      I think what they tried to do with this episode is show that not aliens are from Fort Rozz. Sadly instead of making that a revelation, they decided to make it like everyone already knew this and it went at the cost of the characters. It's like how they're suddenly all knowledgeable about the faith of planets and other aliens. I appreciate them opening up the world to more plots, but they're going very clumsy about this change, and sadly Alex and J'onn suffer somewhat from it.

      I have a lot of issues with how fandom is approaching Maggie and Alex. I do genuinely hope it's a character arc more than anything. I don't want too much romance. I'm fine with what we got in this episode. I'm a bit hesitant about how all these new things are gonna set our little family on different roads, but hopefully they will stick to the stronger together theme.

      • NovakFanOct 26, 2016 at 8:29 AM

        A lot of new people is coming to the show (mostly from the loo) because Maggie is gay and they want the romance plot. So since they aren't invested like us, they don't really care about a character arc whatsoever.

        But anyway, I just hope they keep the 'coming out' topic , if we get one, like part of the character plot and not like the only plot. Just like you I'm fine with what we got in this episode.

    • theriacsOct 26, 2016 at 12:20 AM

      @venus_kareng I second what @woodface said about how the writers fell short of making it seem like not all aliens came from Fort Rozz, because up until this point, all aliens that Alex has encountered on Earth were prison escapees. She's not xenophobic by any means. Her relationships with Kara, J'onn, and Clark show that. She probably wrote off peaceful prison escapees as anomalies (like the alien professor in the Here Comes the Sun ep), so it didn't occur to her there would be a non-hostile community of aliens.

      The least the writers could have done was let her throw in a line about something along the lines of, "whoa hey, I thought aliens only came to Earth to get revenge on Supergirl/Superman."

      And while I do wish that Alex doesn't need a "coming out" arc, if it happens that way, I'm all for it being more about her character journey than an actual relationship.

      As for Kara...she feels in and out of character for me in this season. The prejudice against Daxamites especially. Like, I get the writers may have wanted to use Kara as the role model of how to examine personal prejudices and overcome them, but I don't like that it's at the expense of her character.

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 12:31 AM

        I agree @theriacs I'm feeling more out of character writing this time around, and some rushed scenes/clumsy revelations. I hope it's just a momentary thing as they find their footing.

    • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 4:18 AM

      If it is a character arc, I would be very happy. :)

      About Kara, I think I understood; If she never talked to Alex about it, it is quite possible that she never had to work through her prejudices. Especially, if she never even thought about them.

      And really, with losing her parents, and her planet, and being on a new planet, hiding herself, I think she had enough on her plate not to deal with the Daxamite thing.

      It is quite possible that some of them are residues of her years in Krypton. She assimilated whatever her parents and her community taught her and unlike us who keep having to revisit and revise our maps and thoughts based on our life experiences, she never had to.

      Not until she met Mon El.

      I think in her brain, many of her Kryptonian relationships, the emotions, are frozen in place rather than evolved. That is why she had such a difficult time with her mother's back story in Season 1.

      But, I am neither a psychologist nor psychotherapist (or neuroscientist), so I am not sure if I am right.

      Alex too: I think the issue and fear she had in that Alien bar was because she never met friendly aliens other than J'onn, Kara and Clark. And she is trained to neutralise aliens and consider them threats.

    • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 7:56 AM

      About people feeling the distance; I just thought it was too many new characters and plots happening at the same time (mainly a writers issue), but it is possible that they are exploring something else. It was like this even in S1, after Episode 14 or so... More work and no hanging out.

      In an interview, Kriesberg did say that Kara would be figuring out, among other things (her job and how to be Kara, I think), how to support her sister. May be this is the growth pains?

      They have been very silent on Alex, so am not sure where that is going; but seeing E3 (and even the previous episodes), they are not cutting down her time. So, I am hoping they are going to make these two talk about stuff and have them grow more.

      I did notice a lot of people in the mainstream websites (mainly, straight folks, I think) saying they missed Kalex time. Hopefully, it is a feature that is intended to blow out and bring them closer (and not an unintentional bug).

      • floorplan91Oct 26, 2016 at 8:44 AM

        Kalex is beloved by everyone, and sure most people read it as a platonic love, but be it journalists/reviewers, be it the general audience, people care for the two relationship, so yeah I'm happy when even non romantic shippers notice when we have less Kalex scenes.

        There's another thing, we haven't seen Kara talk to Alex about her new boss, Lena, or even what she thinks about reporting. I'm sure it's all happening off screen, but ughhh, I miss their s1 moments. I think at this point it's both them wanting to show some tension, and sadly the side-effect of too many new characters and new storylines. Like, if this was s1, we would have got a scene where Kara complained about Snapper.

      • NovakFanOct 26, 2016 at 9:44 PM

        I miss them too. It disappoints me that we have to think that things are happening off screen. Because yeah, last season we actually got to watch it, usually with the couch scenes, I miss those :C The only one with got so far it was with the fight *pouts more*

  • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:00 AM

    When I first watched the series pilot, long before I shipped anyone or knew anyone, after seeing the initial few minutes, my thought was that it was not just about Kara, but also about Alex. In that initial few minutes, Kara doesn't just say that her life changed forever, but that Alex's changed too.

    When I watched the series again a third time, I was rather impressed by how evenly split the show is between the two of them. Most scenes include either one or the other. There are rare instances where Alex is not there, but I think the show has tried to give as much importance to Alex as to Kara. Much like symmetrical halves, complements. Yep, they complement each other.

    I was worried that move to CW might mean lose of that focus. But, by S2 E3, I am convinced that they still have that as their focus.

    And, I am so so very glad about it.

    Okay, after that ramble...

    About the episode...

    I liked this episode; everything in it seemed to have tied together... There was no place where it felt rushed.

    But... I was still left wanting more Kara and Alex scenes. (Which is weird, they had a lot of them; I guess, I just wanted them hanging out, not on the job.)

    I am starting to get a good feeling about the reporter job. At least, it seems to be dealing with Kara's biases and leading to personal growth. And it is helping her make new friends.

    Snapper Carr's reaction to her work was really what I wanted in the previous episode. Giving her grief for something she did wrong rather than for something she couldn't help. I'd prefer if he was a bit nice about it, like my boss would be, but, I don't think we can expect that in TV; especially DC.

    However, I enjoyed the whole scene... Kara appears so cocky in that scene; and it is lovely. I guess being Supergirl and that whole year has brought that change in her.

    And I loved that Kara found the time to support James through whatever she was going through. It is one of the things I love about her. She is very supportive of her friends.

    Kara's idolising the president was fun and very Kara. And Alex's and J'onn's reactions to that: amusing and very them.

    With Mon-El. I actually liked him and felt sorry for him (it's kind of hard to know your world died). I would like him as a friend for Kara. If they are planning on romantic relationship; I don't know whether I like it or not (in Canon). May be, it'd be short term.

    (I hope Alex remains in one half of her heart; I think she can divide up the rest of her heart between whoever...;))

  • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 12:21 AM

    And, I liked J'onn visiting the alien bar; I'd have liked the reveal to have been a couple of episodes later though. There should have been some build up.

    I am looking forward to their interactions.

    Lena: I like her fledgling friendship with Kara. I have never seen Katie Mcgrath before, and was not very impressed by her in Episode 1 of this season, but I liked her a lot in this.

    I think though that she is at least a grey character. So, may be she would either be the season or the series big bad.

  • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    Just dropping a link to my tumblr if anyone's interested. I'm honestly relieved I liked this episode as much as I did.

    I liked the little touches we got in this episode. The genuine amusement and fondness Alex showed at Kara's excitement, but also the eyerolling when it's in public for everyone to hear.

    There's obviously still tension between them, but I like that it's coming from a place where Kara is the one worrying about Alex. We haven't seen her respond to Alex taking risks before and it's interesting seeing that sneaking in there now. It might cause tension because Alex is not used to the concern, but it's an interesting development that they hopefully will continue to explore.

    Alex was sinfully hot in this episode too. Seriously, I'm not sure how I survived it. Or how Kara survived it. Seriously, I want Alex beating on dudes and telling people to get the hell off her crime scene all the time. Territorial Alex is the best.

    • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 1:06 PM

      JFC, I know. Like yes... what plot? Last night was Alex at her hottest I think, being territorial, all cocky and badass, wearing tac gear, and with a freakin' bazooka, and riding a bike as mentioned, but also sporting a paintsuit in the first meeting scene with Maggie!!! GAH, plus I love that she never shies away from fights, not even with aliens. Gimme Alex beating men up in every episode and I'll be happy. I still need a lot to recover. Kara is truly an alien, I wouldn't be able to refrain myself around Alex ahaha

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 1:11 PM

        It's insane. I'm just... Ugh, I'm going to need all the gifs. All that was missing was the exosuit.

    • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 1:09 PM

      On a more serious note, I loved how Kara reacted at Alex disappearing on a risky mission without her, FINALLY. I hope this is another thing they'll address again.

      I have to admit, plot aside, I'm missing the quiet movie nights in so muuuuch.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 1:14 PM

        Same, dude. They'll be there. I bet that's what they were doing after while J'onn was at the bar. Kara was talking about Daxam to Alex and how she never even went there. Maybe Alex told her a little more about the bar and the aliens there being open about who they are. Alex is well aware by now that having Kara hide was the most horrible thing they did to her, but Kara has forgiven them and honestly knowing what happened to Jeremiah, she's grateful for it. Now it's her turn to keep them save, though, which definitely involves distracting Alex with cheesy movies and snuggles on the couch.

      • ApvengOct 26, 2016 at 4:00 AM

        I hope though that we get them onscreen too... I miss those.

    • NovakFanOct 25, 2016 at 3:16 PM

      I agree with what you said btw, on your tumblr post. About Alex letting her guard down bc what Maggie said to her about aliens. I think that people is focusing too much on Maggie's sexuality aspect but I also think that that was the main reason Alex felt comfortable enough with her so fast. Alex knows she'll have an strong ally on her if/when need it. At the same it makes the other thing (not all aliens are evil thing) even more problematic I think. Because Alex KNOWS. I'm hoping this will be the ooc Alex moment of the season we're gonna get (just like on s1) and now we move on, right show? pff

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM

        Hopefully! Yeah, Alex didn't even blink an eye about make dating women. She was too busy geeking out over aliens and alien biology. Which honestly to me makes it feel that Alex's gaydar is just fine. (I keep hoping Alex won't have a coming out moment.)

        It's so telling though, her relaxing because she's seeing someone who doesn't judge aliens. Yes, the past season they always were dealing with Fort Rozz aliens and most of those aren't nice, but J'onn and her are right to be worried about those aliens suddenly trying to call for their rights. If the president gets her way, she might demand the release of some of those aliens that are captured at the DEO now.

        Um.... I'm digressing. It's weird that suddenly there's more nice aliens around. I'm both excited and hesitant about how they're opening up the universe. We'll see how it goes, but Alex having a human ally who she might be able to trust to protect Kara (and J'onn), that's huge for her.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:30 PM

        I agree, I think at the very last Maggie will be a 'mean' for Alex to learn to open up more, and a human friend doesn't hurt either lol.

        Also YES @woodface, as I said various time, I headcanoned Alex as queer and out already, but if she's not out, I at least don't want her to have a gay panic or dragged out coming out moment or sudden realization. Like, there's nothing wrong with late bloomers, just let's not have unnecessary angst for the sake of it. Kara wouldn't react badly nor judge Alex, and J'onn can read mind lol, he must have heard accidentally some not-very-sisterly thoughts Alex had around Kara, he knows too.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 3:38 PM

        J'onn denies tagging Alex's mind and knowing anything of the sort. There's some matter he does not want to get involved in... He'll consider it if Alex gets stuck in her kicking his ass to avoid her issues ways again, though. He'd rather not, however.

      • floorplan91Oct 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM

        I always wondered, he must have kept his eyes on her long befor he first contacted her? Like, he decided to step in when Alex reached a pretty low point in college, so did he see or heard how lonely she was, how much she was pushing the person she craved the most? Kept her problems so hidden? I think he would want to honor the promise made to Jeremiah, so maaaybe he used his powers before getting to know Alex. Also I think when he "hired" her, her could have tried reading her thoughts, to be 100% sure if she was right for the DEO, and god Alex's mind was solely focused on the fact HE mentioned KARA.

      • woodfaceOct 25, 2016 at 3:49 PM

        The thing is that I believe Alex has so conditioned herself to not want Kara that I imagine even reading her mind would make it out to pick out the depth of her feelings. He might have an inkling, especially if he checked in on her during her teenages, but the Alex he hired, he taught her how to lie. He taught her how to lie to cheat a lie detector, but he taught her how to cheat on him too. He would have made sure of it because he's not the only mind reading alien and he needs her to be safe.

        That the feelings she has for Kara are complex, that much he knows, but I dunno. I like to think he knows about it more because of his father instincts than because he read it in her mind.

      • ApvengOct 27, 2016 at 1:35 AM

        @floorplan91, @woodface, I don't mind him scanning her mind once for safety, but keeping it up is in my opinion, a violation; an intimate violation at that. I hope he doesn't do that.

        I rather hope J'onn knows Alex well enough to understand her feelings without mind-reading.

        Personally, I think the writers are not very clear about J'onn's mind reading skills and have forgotten about it. They used it once to show conflict and then have stopped using it. Or, why was not J'onn not able to identify McGill? Although, as Snape would say mind-reading is probably not like reading a textbook.

        Hopefully, J'onn can read minds like you do a google search and thus, not invade people's minds too much.

      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 2:39 PM

        Yeah, sadly they have been a tad too vague when it comes to his powers, I'd love to know more. Maybe now that M'gann m'orzz was introduced, we'll know more.

    • ApvengOct 29, 2016 at 12:04 AMΔ

      When I watched the episode, I kind of tuned out at the end Alex-Maggie scene, which is i think where Alex says that Maggie taught her something? It seemed to be an obvious set up for that ship and I am kind of not a fan, so.

      But, what you said is true. Alex knows not all Aliens are bad (however, the majority of aliens that Alex met seem to have been bad; may be that was what she was reacting to in the bar? I couldn't fault her action with the pistol).

      What is also troubling, from a storytelling perspective is that prejudices are typically broken by meeting people of the "other" community who defy those prejudices; rarely is it done by someone wise and generous and open minded telling you how you are wrong to have a certain POV. Alex has already had her "Eureka" moment there (when she met Kara probably) if she ever needed it. So, that scene could have been better handled. Ditto for the "good" team thing.

      (But may be that was there because Alex didn't want to reveal that she already has her share of good aliens in her family account?)

  • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 4:11 AM

    everyone here has basically said everything that's been on my mind since I saw the episode and I'm glad I'm not the only hopeless one that has trouble multi-shipping especially since my otp is a rare pair ;A; (I mean you'd think I'd know better) and it sucks because I really wanted to like Maggie x Alex but I think I've seen too many posts of people gushing about it and it just sort of desensitized me..?? (that might be the wrong word) idk they're way too alike for me to ship them together, the whole yin and yin thing. I'll wait a couple more eps to see if it'll just take me a while to like their interactions like I did Lena's

    I weirdly do kinda sorta maybe ship Kara x Lena because I have such a soft spot for Katie McGrath and Kara is just so cute and oblivious to Lena being all friendly doing Kara favors, but that seems to run in the family what with Alex being all flustered and all at the end scene with Maggie, which I also thought was absolutely adorable :]

    that last look Alex gave Maggie just about killed me though. well, actually everything Alex killed me this ep as I've seen it's killed many of you with all her hotness with the territorialness, the protectiveness, the badass fight scenes, the DUCATI (c'mon Alex let us live, but also keep doing what you're doing)

    I did want more Kalex scenes, but the scenes we did get I absolutely loved (bc I'm starved) like the scene with Kara calling Alex a dummy and her calling attention to Alex's recklessness/her knack for getting into dangerous situations and Alex listening to Kara gushing about the President with her and J'onn smiling at Kara's nervousness about meeting her

    even that small scene where Kara's talking about Daxamites I loved, though I found it interesting that they're showing Kara has prejudices against other alien species. I guess we don't know much of the show's version of Krypton and how they functioned and coming from another planet with different societal rules/norms and stereotypes against other aliens seems more 'normal' maybe so they get that parallel that 'not only on Earth' and 'aliens can have prejudices too' or w/e idk

    from what I see, I do seem to be the only one who liked the scene between Kara and Mon-El at the end where she tells him that Daxam is gone. Personally, Mon-El is very boring by himself and I am a little afraid they're going to go the 'obligatory hetero love interest' route which I very much DO NOT like at all, but any chance they give Kara to talk about Krypton and express her feelings about that loss and work through it, I will take it

    I live for the Kara angst about Krypton so I'm hoping maybe they'll talk more about that (with Alex and J'onn preferably because I'm trash). I doubt they'll say more than a few lines though :/ or maybe they will!! who knows!! I don't! we're only on episode three after all :D

    (I'm sorry this was longer than I expected it to be)

    • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 4:13 AM

      also HOLY SHIT there's more than 100 comments?! ?!?!? ! WOW that's awesome!!

      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 6:46 PM

        I KNOW, amazing, and also there are 60 members now here, wooo, so cool! @woodface thanks again for this idea. Now, new people, don't be shy... :p

      • venus_karengOct 27, 2016 at 8:26 PM

        wow, 64 now. Hopefully soon some more decide to participate :) It's fun, come gush with us. We'd have threads with 200 comments or more.

      • woodfaceOct 27, 2016 at 11:00 PM

        .r66. I'm scratching my head being torn between excited and just not buying because as long as they're quiet they could be a bug in the site, ghosts or porn blogs who followed us over.

      • venus_karengOct 28, 2016 at 12:25 AM

        oh no, it could be :( the number is going up pretty fast. It's 75 at the moment.

    • woodfaceOct 27, 2016 at 12:29 PM

      I have not read a lot of Superman comics so this is only hearsay, but from what I understand it Krypton was a very xenophobic society. This explains why they pretty much all died because they hadn't left their planet in ages (except for the Daxamites as I understand it). So Kara having a strong reaction against other aliens is not entirely unsurprising, though, I very much doubt that's something this show is going to touch.

      I hear you on fandom oversaturating things about Maggie/Alex. I mean, I genuinely enjoyed their interactions, but I also see Maggie as a stepping stone. Honestly, I think Lena/Maggie and Kara/Alex make better pairings, but for now they're adorable and maybe they need someone to relate to them on certain aspects in their lives before they can get their acts together.

      • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 9:26 PM

        that makes sense! and it's also very sad :/ sucks that they'll probably not touch on it on the show. I like when they talk about these issues but there's only so much they can do

        I think the stepping stone thing is good. Makes the journey all the more interesting I guess though I wish we could have more Kalex scenes where they talk about these love interests and all (it'd make a good couch scene!!)

    • venus_karengOct 27, 2016 at 1:50 PMΔ

      I've never been much of a multi-shipper either. The one show I have been was with Legend of the Seeker in which I absolutely loved both Richard/Kahlan and Kahlan/Cara. I liked Maggie, she had a very good introduction into the show, the actress is really good, and there is chemistry with Chyler but I'm just not there (maybe I will be in later episodes). I'll enjoy watching their dynamic but there is no way they are a better team than Kara and Alex ("I'm just better when we're together" "Me too") so I resented that "we make a good team" line a little cause just the episode before we got Kara and Alex talking about being better together and actually seeing them team up, so yeah XD (I hope that if any of the 48 - wow - memebers are reading these comments and do ship Maggie and Alex as well as Kara and Alex that they don't take it as hate for the new ship)

      I'm wondering if this season will follow the same pattern as season 1.

      1x01 - was the big intro to Kara as the hero, and the villain that worked for the main villian. 2x01 - sort of a reintroduction for the new channel as well as introducing Superman, we also met John Corben who becomes Metallo by the end thanks to the main villain.

      1x02 - Astra is "officially" introduced as the big bad, Astra takes Alex to some warehouse and then Kara saves her and has a fight with Astra, and we also had Kara telling Alex that she is her family. 2x02 - official intro to Cadmus, Alex is caught by the main villain in a warehouse and is saved by Kara, and Kara reassures Alex that she is her family and the reason she feels at home.

      1x03 - was the episode where they set up James as Kara's main love interest. 2x03 - Maggie is introduced and is set up as Alex's love interest.

      So far it looks like it and because of this I'm a little worried that our Kalex drought will go on for several episodes. In season 1 Kalex got more focus after episode 8, the mid season finale. And we only got our second couch scene until episode 10.

      And since I'm always comparing Flash and Supergirl. In season 2 of the Flash Barry got a new girlfriend, Patty (a Detective in the metahuman task force who was extremely similar to Barry. Sound familiar? I really loved her by the way and hope she comes back), and while he was dating Patty there weren't as many significant scenes between Barry and Iris. Barry and Iris got closer again when Patty left after episode 10 (it's a little different too cause Iris was still mourning the death of her fiance).

      PS: Larry Teng confirmed on twitter that he is coming back to direct episode 14 and as a producer until January. He directed "Falling" and "Better Angels", he also imo is a big Kara and Alex fan so maybe this could be good for us. EDIT: He also directed "Human for a Day" another very good episode, despite the fact Kara and Alex only had 1 scene together.

      • venus_karengOct 27, 2016 at 2:01 PM

        I think I can see Lena having a crush on Kara but I don't see it from Kara to be honest.

        According to Andrew Kreisberg Sara will have a crush on Kara in the Legends of Tomorrow episode that Kara will be in. What are these writers playing at? I don't think they'd make both Kara and Alex gay but what if they really want to?

        Mon El wasn't bad but he is a bit boring, not because his story is bad but because we have already seen it with both Kara and J'onn so it's getting repetative. At least M'gann has a little more layers to her backstory from what I have been told here. But I would so love more talk of Krypton and hearing Kara speak kryptonian more often (with J'onn maybe?)

      • NovakFanOct 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM

        I hope we get more Kalex :C I think this Larry Teng dude is directing ep 6 as well, the synopsis was released and they really should have scenes together on that one uff

        Tbh I don't know why we don't get more kalex even with the potential LI . Last season even if they weren't the focus (it was until ep 8 really? wow) the girls were always sharing scenes. Always. The only time they were apart was when Kara had to be at CatCo. Unless of course the distance it's on purpose like we mentioned before and they are gonna get the focus again eventually. We'll see.

      • agentpuppyOct 27, 2016 at 9:39 PM

        it's interesting that they're giving season 2 the same setup as season 1 so far but this Kalex drought is killing me

        I do like how you're paralleling Barry and Patty to Maggie and Alex. I can totally see that happening. That's how some romantic storylines go so I wouldn't be surprised about it going that way. I would love it if Alex and Kara would talk about all of the things that are happening with them

        I'm glad to hear that Larry Teng is coming back! I didn't know he directed "Falling" and "Better Angels"?! I loved those eps can't wait to see what he's gonna direct for us next :D

      • floorplan91Oct 27, 2016 at 10:01 PMΔ

        @venus_kareng

        I think Andrew was joking around, but if it turns out to be true (which I'd like!!), can we really blame her? Sara LOVES her women, and Kara is adorable, no one is immune to her puppy charm. Having a little harmless crush while they work together is not a big deal, I do expect Sara to throw around some flirty comment just to see Kara all flustered, lol. Now, how would Kara react/answer is what interests me.

      • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 11:50 PM

        There is also the fact that:

        Jeremiah may turn out to be bad and Kara might have to neutralise him just like Alex did Astra. I am not looking forward to it because I am really scared of how Alex would react.

        Besides, I think even from a story telling and character point of view it would make more sense for Alex to deal with it herself rather than have Kara do it. Because, as we have seen Kara is the optimist of the duo and Alex the realist. And Kara is against killing, even in battle. And it would be a powerful character moment for Alex to have to make that decision. To realise that Cadmus has irrevocably changed her father so that he is no longer the person she admired and loved.

        I am just worried that the EPs would think it would be good symmetry and go for that; hang the characters.

      • venus_karengOct 29, 2016 at 7:42 PM

        I have speculated for so long that Jeremiah would be alive and come back as a villain (Cyborg Superman) since before the reveal that he was alive. I think Alex will get to have some closure with Jeremiah but ultimately have to end his life for the greater good and oh man would that be a powerful character moment for Alex, and even Kara. I don't think the writers would put Kara in this position of killing Jeremiah because she doesn't kill, but I am convinced that she will have to battle him since Cadmus is creating these metahumans in order to kill aliens (especially Supergirl and Superman). I also expect a fight with J'onn since Jeremiah "died" to save him. If they do have Kara kill Jeremiah (or even Alex) since she is the one with superpowers, I think they would frame it as a mercy killing because he has been used and forced to do things for so long and it's the only way to save him, and also because he might be hurting Alex physically so Kara of course would not think twice but to save Alex.

    • ApvengOct 28, 2016 at 8:25 AM

      @agentpuppy, I liked the Monel/Kara scenes too... Especially Kara. Kara comes across as a real person there and even then, her compassion is great to watch! As is her anger. I know people think that there are out of character moments this season, especially with Kara, but I think it is more Kara being free to be herself. Having been Supergirl for all this while has given her confidence.

      If there is a straight romance for Kara, I hope not this season at least, I'd rather it be someone she considers equal than someone she worships (like James). I don't think Kara worships Alex by the way; even in season 1, I have always thought that Kara is more free, in fact, absolutely herself with Alex than with anyone else. I think they are aware of each other's faults but have kind of accepted that and don't mind them.

      So, in that way, I prefer the Monel thing (and in this, I know I am alone.. ;-)). I am going with Monel, because I have heard this idea that may be he is Monel rather than Mon El and that is why Kara didn't react to the "El". At least, that explains a major plot hole.

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